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what's up everybody this is Sean and

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this is Jay and you're watching witness

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thank you

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what do you think

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I like the new open I think it's great I

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like the stately horns like the moon I

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like the I like it all I think it was

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great did you when'd you do that

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uh I the the song I kind of made maybe a

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week ago but the video I just clipped

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together maybe a half hour ago that's

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awesome here I was reading PDFs like a

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schmuck and you were putting that

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together that was awesome

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they're just clips that you know that I

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can download so it's it's pretty easy

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stuff but uh yeah the song I like I like

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kind of the the droney horns so I

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thought I'd give it I thought I'd give

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it a try there's a more robust version

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with drums and everything too but oh boy

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um it gets kind of intense so

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I I didn't want to bring that up on

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gotta ease our way into the stately ones

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with Trump yeah I get it appreciate it

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so what's up everybody in the chat I uh

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appreciate everybody in the chat

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Grandmaster what's up with the Caps Anon

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E.T Robert cofford uh John R NWO

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data

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we'll see water lily all sorts of photos

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yeah we got all sorts of we got the new

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world yeah New World Order yeah they I

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think they're probably gonna pick us to

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run something or they're monitoring you

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know who we are did oh my gosh maybe no

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I actually know who that person is oh

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okay yeah it's nice person so we were

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both into the NWO wrestling back in the

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stuff that was her favorite so yeah that

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was a little bit after my my uh

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wrestling days I was like um

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uh what was it called TNA no not TNA

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yeah but what proceeded well I think

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one but like uh

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um maybe but like uh what what was it

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called before WCW okay there's Jim

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Crockett Productions and then there's an

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in-between state it was the one that

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like Sting and all those guys uh

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wrestled in those kind of like WCW yeah

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before WCW I don't know I don't know

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see that's our our little micro

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that I was watching people like like uh

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Shane Michaels back when he was like

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with Marty Genetti in the Rockers oh

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Sean Michaels yeah yeah

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or Shawn Michaels supposedly I was

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supposedly I was named after him so

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um are you serious my middle name is

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Michael so your dad was into the Rockers

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Sean Connery so that'd be it wow yeah I

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can call me calling me hey for um for uh

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thanks uh for Halloween this year can we

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dress up as the Rockers I don't know if

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you know what they look like they sure

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they had like a really wild kind of like

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yeah like hair Rock hair and uh like a

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lot of friendship bracelets and stuff oh

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yeah they look pretty wild yeah yeah you

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might want to bring a picture of them I

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am super familiar with the Rockers

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because you know I was named after

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you're named after one of them that's

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what I mean so I think so I think

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I think you're Shawn Michaels was a

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little bit later than my Sean Michaels

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my Sean Michaels was like the early 20s

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Shawn Michaels anyway we just have to be

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sure that we're as good of friends as

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those two were because you know look at

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that can we yeah look at that yeah those

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guys are amazing click on that one yeah

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that one can you can you make that

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bigger

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which one okay any of them really

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outfits they're cool outfits like

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Photoshop action so you should probably

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be Sean Michaels I'll be Marty Genetti

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um that's okay margianetti didn't really

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go anywhere you know what I mean Shawn

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Michaels turned into like you know yeah

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30-year career or something like that

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but anyway whatever he must have been

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seeing that Shawn Michaels rise to

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stardom and he was probably oh yeah

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ago I'm not that big of a wrestling fan

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once in a while maybe maybe you're at

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the point now where you're like whatever

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happened to that you know marginal

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celebrity like I don't know somebody

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Bob from Sesame Street we should do that

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with ufology someday like the Forgotten

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ufologist oh yeah yeah we should

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absolutely do that you know there's uh

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um covering like a Leonard Stringfield

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case later today we might be able to get

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to that I mean some people remember I

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memorable figures in 20th century

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ufology a lot of people forgot about him

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that that case that we were maybe going

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to talk about today where he's like oh

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the I like the hair stood up on the on

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uh that don't get much credit anymore

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never a wrestler named after an alien or

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something maybe there was I'm not sure

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little bit you've been working on

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another uh uh event in in New York city

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us a little bit about that

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oh sure okay so yeah so this is like the

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third iteration of this conference

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series that me and the gentle giant

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James iandoli have been putting on here

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um called an inquiry into anonymous

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experiences in the phenomenon

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April 8th and one of the reasons why I

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theater that a very small theater that

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keep working for the horse yeah but like

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excited about it because of the range of

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people that are involved we've got Derek

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prominent astronomer who's who's been a

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public-facing person in astronomy since

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1978 and um he notably used to be a

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onto onto news media basic cable and

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stuff like that to talk uh to kind of

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explain away cases is back in the day

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much like Tyson does now yeah exactly

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government officials go on the record

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accounts you know right they're good

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actual like Blue Book accounts but it's

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the same idea of reading the actual

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accounts and you're like what the frick

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so so he appeared on on Leslie's new

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show UFOs investigating the unknown

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Hulu and it's supposed to be loading up

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on Disney plots any day now

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is going to be there right Ryan Graves

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is going to be there from the merge

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podcast and uh you know pretty much I

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think almost anybody who who watches the

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witness citizen probably has a decent

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handle on who Ryan is and he's of course

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merged as has quickly become one of the

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then uh yeah anyway Peter lavender who

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with Tom Delong God's man war wars

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coming up soon hopefully not literally

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though it kind of always is but I mean

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the secret machines book I've got

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Elizabeth Crone who's a near-death

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experiencer who wrote a book with Dr

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who has been doing this thing called

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eprc the emergent phenomenology research

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other scientists that are working to get

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medical community and codified in such a

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hospitals and can be can show up as kind

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of normal medical codes that people

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could punch up in databases so that uh

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so that people can be more informed in

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the medical community about situations

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that are kind of particular to

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with experiencers and he's trying to get

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that stuff validated so it'll be really

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interesting to hear from him and of

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course Leslie Kane's going to be there

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as well

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um so yeah so I think it'll be a it'll

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be a really great time Leslie's gonna do

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she's gonna actually co-host with James

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and I she's also going to be doing like

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a fireside chat thing uh with James Fox

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um partially because they've they've

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both actually been working the Virginia

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Brazil like crash retrieval slash um

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bodies case uh separately and a little

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bit together so we hope to hear kind of

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an update about that and maybe some

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other stuff James has been shooting

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lately in DC so we're really looking

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forward to maybe getting an update about

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what's been going on in DC right yeah

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the gentle giant Class Act he really is

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man I put the link in the in the

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comments here so you guys click on that

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remember there's only five a person uh

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tickets left so you'll want to get those

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before they run out it does uh stream as

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well so you can stick it for the live

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stream

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um and the guys who put together the

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event I happen to know them they're

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super nice people and eventually as time

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goes on they they put some of this stuff

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up uh online uh for free but that's like

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way down the road so that's right I

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would probably do the live stream or go

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in person if you can so that's right

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yeah yeah it's gonna be a fun time yeah

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for sure

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um anyway

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we have apparently we have uh hearings

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coming up in April that well that's like

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what people are saying it's not

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confirmed I guess but

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um the the links in the description of

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this video you can click on it to read

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about that so one that came from

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Politico

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um talking about keyrings and then of

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course we have Tim burchett who is kind

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have taken the torch for all this stuff

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and is on the news and uh project

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unity's show and all these different

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places talking about having hearings and

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that he had talked to McCarthy and

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somebody else I forget his name

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um

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ahead in the oversight committee maybe

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it is but he said that they agreed and

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that they're going to do this so

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um it's really interesting that this is

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happening you know the hearings that we

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had last year were a huge dud so

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hopefully uh it doesn't turn out that

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way at this time

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um but I have a feeling it'll be a

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little bit more interesting what do you

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think

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um partially because of who has been

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briefing some of these people you know

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we've heard from people like Gary Nolan

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and Lou Alexander and we know Chris

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millin has been briefing some of these

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people in anticipation of more hearings

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and we also know that that all of those

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people and a bunch of other people

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including ourselves were super

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disappointed by the last uh round of

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hearings when Moultrie and Bray were

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basically like We Don't Know Jack Squad

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about I don't know I don't know who

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knows and you know and they also brought

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up people then that had total plausible

353
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deniability you know what I mean you had

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people there that it wasn't Lou Elizondo

355
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right it that it wasn't Sean Kirkpatrick

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there is getting brought up in in front

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of Congress and the public and so you

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know regardless of of how much of this

359
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stuff needs to be needs for whatever

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reason needs to be like behind closed

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doors and what can be in the public you

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know we need to hear from more people

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that are more directly involved sure

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totally right and we were we were

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brought to this situation by very

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specific people right Chris melon

367
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Elizondo Eric Davis just to name a few

368
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like a lot of these names and these

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people are reasons

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are the reasons that we're here right

371
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now doing this

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you know so um

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they should probably be a part of it and

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maybe testify as well like Lou Elizondo

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I can you come up with a better witness

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than that person you want to understand

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I can't really considering everything in

378
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context I think that would be uh the a

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great person to put on the stand you

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know I think it's

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you know

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I hope that we can get an opportunity to

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to have hearings where important stuff

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is discussed

385
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you know that that's all I gotta say

386
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um on it in whatever way that happens

387
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um I don't know because you know we hear

388
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things of of stuff going on behind the

389
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scenes like from Gary Nolan or other

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people about uh people testifying to

391
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Arrow about Crash retrieval programs and

392
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some pretty crazy stuff for UFOs so like

393
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if people like brachetta or whatever are

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aware of those people of course those

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people should be testifying like I

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you know otherwise like what are we

397
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doing what's the point of them telling

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Arrow if they've like you can't tell the

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public or whatever you know

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um because that's like the whole gist of

401
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this thing isn't it so but I think it's

402
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crazy with the hearings how you have

403
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that side like Tim birchett the the

404
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crashes and all that kind of stuff and

405
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and you know people like Gary Nolan

406
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saying that um you know he's aware of

407
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:56,880
some pretty pretty cool stuff regarding

408
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this so and then you have the other side

409
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like the political article where it's

410
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really focusing on the balloons and more

411
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prosaic stuff and so there's a different

412
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,939
things going on here and you only have

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Burchette and one time Gates talking

414
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about the crash retrieval stuff why do

415
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they just know do more people knowing

416
00:17:19,370 --> 00:17:16,319
they're just not talking like what is

417
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:19,380
the deal it's it's confusing you know

418
00:17:24,530 --> 00:17:22,799
yeah yeah and I I really do hope that

419
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:24,540
you know we've been hearing for a little

420
00:17:29,330 --> 00:17:27,120
while now that um folks

421
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um like Robert Salas for example or

422
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:31,980
Mario woods and others have been have

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been uh invited to give

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um testimony to Sean Kirkpatrick

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presumably and others

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um in the arrow office and maybe uh to

427
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to focus on some of these subcommittees

428
00:17:51,950 --> 00:17:49,020
uh behind the scenes as Eric Davis has

429
00:17:54,770 --> 00:17:51,960
in the past and others you know and it's

430
00:17:58,190 --> 00:17:54,780
it's interesting to note you know of

431
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course Lou alizando and Tim burchett had

432
00:18:02,930 --> 00:18:00,299
like a recorded interview together that

433
00:18:06,289 --> 00:18:02,940
they did gosh I guess maybe almost a

434
00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:06,299
year ago even already now and like and

435
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:08,039
they seem to get along really well

436
00:18:12,890 --> 00:18:11,039
timberchet hinted in recent situations

437
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,900
that you know we're gonna get people up

438
00:18:17,450 --> 00:18:14,640
there that are the real people that you

439
00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:17,460
need to hear from and you know I if I

440
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:20,220
was a betting man I would put luau sondo

441
00:18:26,270 --> 00:18:22,080
up at the top of the list for who might

442
00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:26,280
get called it provided yeah I mean

443
00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:28,140
provided that whatever contract that

444
00:18:32,090 --> 00:18:29,700
he's working with space force right now

445
00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:32,100
allows him to do that and it sounds like

446
00:18:36,590 --> 00:18:34,740
that contract might be like coming to a

447
00:18:38,690 --> 00:18:36,600
closed some sometime soon but I don't

448
00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:38,700
know I don't know much about that you

449
00:18:43,010 --> 00:18:39,960
know what I mean and I don't think many

450
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:43,020
people do right so you know if he can

451
00:18:45,890 --> 00:18:44,400
talk then that would be absolutely

452
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fantastic

453
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:47,400
um definitely been quiet for a while

454
00:18:51,529 --> 00:18:49,440
that's for sure you know it is

455
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,539
definitely interesting how

456
00:18:55,450 --> 00:18:54,240
how much he was around and then how much

457
00:18:58,190 --> 00:18:55,460
he was

458
00:19:00,350 --> 00:18:58,200
yeah well I mean but at the same time

459
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,360
like there are a couple you know he's

460
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,400
he's been writing a book and like I said

461
00:19:06,409 --> 00:19:04,320
that's bad or good I'm just saying you

462
00:19:07,850 --> 00:19:06,419
know it's like well what happened yeah I

463
00:19:09,770 --> 00:19:07,860
mean he's been working on this book and

464
00:19:12,529 --> 00:19:09,780
it's funny because like people act like

465
00:19:15,049 --> 00:19:12,539
writing a book is easy or that it can

466
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:15,059
just happen and and like I can you know

467
00:19:19,310 --> 00:19:16,799
write a three minute read article yeah

468
00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:19,320
exactly like I've been having to work on

469
00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:22,620
I've been having to work on on a talk

470
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I'm going to be giving at uh like right

471
00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:27,419
at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base can

472
00:19:31,010 --> 00:19:29,700
you hear that siren it's terrible right

473
00:19:32,930 --> 00:19:31,020
is that here

474
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:32,940
no it's over here they're coming to get

475
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:35,039
me it'll be done actually you know what

476
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:36,720
I'm going to be moving soon I'm going to

477
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:39,120
be moving in May and then you're not

478
00:19:42,350 --> 00:19:40,200
going to have to you're not going to

479
00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:42,360
have to hear those Sirens anymore it's

480
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:44,039
not a problem it spices up the show

481
00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:49,200
actually yeah yeah so like um

482
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:51,900
so anyway uh what happened before the

483
00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:54,720
sirens so like okay so the thing is

484
00:19:58,669 --> 00:19:56,340
though is that people have been

485
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:58,679
testifying or or giving private

486
00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:01,440
testimony to Sean Kirkpatrick and others

487
00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:04,740
and the thing is there though is that we

488
00:20:10,010 --> 00:20:07,260
still don't quite know where Sean

489
00:20:13,070 --> 00:20:10,020
Kirkpatrick lands with all this stuff no

490
00:20:15,289 --> 00:20:13,080
idea right no and and so and so it's

491
00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:15,299
it's curious because we say like oh

492
00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:17,400
Mario Woods is gonna go give testimony

493
00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:19,080
and that's great and Robert Salas is

494
00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:20,280
going to go give testimony and that's

495
00:20:24,409 --> 00:20:22,260
great but we got to remember that like

496
00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:24,419
Mario Woods gave testimony to the Air

497
00:20:31,010 --> 00:20:26,760
Force back in 1977 and we didn't hear

498
00:20:32,510 --> 00:20:31,020
crap about it for over 40 years yeah in

499
00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:32,520
fact the only thing we did here was

500
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:34,860
probably a disinformation campaign right

501
00:20:42,049 --> 00:20:38,400
of that's exactly right where I think it

502
00:20:43,490 --> 00:20:42,059
was alleged by

503
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:43,500
um

504
00:20:48,110 --> 00:20:46,559
I forgot the UFOs and nukes guy

505
00:20:49,630 --> 00:20:48,120
what's his name

506
00:20:52,730 --> 00:20:49,640
UFOs

507
00:20:55,010 --> 00:20:52,740
Hastings he I think it was him that

508
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,020
alleged that uh Dottie started Richard

509
00:21:00,409 --> 00:20:57,840
Dottie started this crazy story about an

510
00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:00,419
actual alien there and shots fired and

511
00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:02,520
all this kind of stuff and it wound up

512
00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:03,960
being debunked

513
00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:07,140
and it just so happens that Sergeant

514
00:21:11,690 --> 00:21:10,260
Mario Woods is uh experience was on that

515
00:21:15,169 --> 00:21:11,700
same day

516
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:15,179
so it seemed like almost like Dottie or

517
00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:16,559
somebody was putting up misinformation

518
00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:18,539
out there to kind of cover up what

519
00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:19,980
really happened there which is what

520
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,220
happened to Mario Woods exactly exactly

521
00:21:28,730 --> 00:21:26,400
yeah you know this and we've been

522
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,740
talking about the possibly you know

523
00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:30,480
covering the Stringfield case later and

524
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:32,820
you know the woods case yeah it comes up

525
00:21:37,850 --> 00:21:35,520
there and it's it's a it's a fascinating

526
00:21:39,470 --> 00:21:37,860
situation and you get a real Hollow

527
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:39,480
mirror situation when you look at these

528
00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:42,780
these things sometimes especially uh-huh

529
00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:45,960
go ahead uh I was just gonna you know

530
00:21:54,770 --> 00:21:50,280
like it's so clear that government

531
00:21:58,090 --> 00:21:54,780
operations or or how they work is the

532
00:22:01,250 --> 00:21:58,100
you know kind of uh slander people

533
00:22:03,049 --> 00:22:01,260
and you know just obfuscate right and we

534
00:22:05,570 --> 00:22:03,059
we could see that in the case that we're

535
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,580
talking about with Mario woods and you

536
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,919
know it now I'm changing the subject a

537
00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:09,360
little bit but in regards to like Jay

538
00:22:17,090 --> 00:22:13,380
Stratton coming out sure you know it's

539
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:17,100
these people are within the dod no

540
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:18,480
matter what you think of Scranton or

541
00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:19,799
skinwalk or whatever

542
00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:22,200
like they come out they basically bully

543
00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:23,940
the guy publicly and won't even put

544
00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:25,980
their face or name on it like there's

545
00:22:32,330 --> 00:22:28,919
three different Publications now that

546
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,340
are tried to disparage Jay Stratton and

547
00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:34,799
and the UAP task force and almost kind

548
00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:36,360
of trying to pit the blame for the

549
00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:38,700
Chinese spy balloons in the past on them

550
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:41,220
which is so freaking ridiculous right

551
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,740
but like

552
00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:45,840
you know I hate bullies and that makes

553
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,700
me just so

554
00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:49,280
pissed off

555
00:22:53,870 --> 00:22:52,200
yeah yeah I know I'm changing the

556
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,880
subject a little bit but no no I'm

557
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,159
thinking about this since like in the

558
00:23:01,250 --> 00:22:58,799
New York Post story was just such uh

559
00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:01,260
just such awful

560
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,900
um garbage like yeah

561
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:06,240
yeah I think what we're seeing right now

562
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:09,919
is is a huge amount of power play

563
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:13,620
between between different groups and and

564
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,100
all and especially seeing how much

565
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,720
influence they have

566
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:21,600
um and are exerting on various press

567
00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:24,600
outlets and you know and that's like

568
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:28,980
plainly obvious and I think that that

569
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,039
you know you could forgive anybody

570
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,320
um for wanting to take a couple weeks

571
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,840
off of of looking at those situations or

572
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:38,400
looking at those news stories sometimes

573
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:40,980
because or or a while you know I've

574
00:23:44,270 --> 00:23:42,120
talked to a bunch of people that are

575
00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:44,280
like I can't handle this right now and

576
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:46,860
for good reason because you know it's

577
00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:49,799
it's it can be challenging enough to

578
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:51,900
deal with the Hall of Mirrors that is

579
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:54,120
the mainstream media anyway and then

580
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:55,740
when they cover this topic and they're

581
00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:56,940
trying to cover it from like four

582
00:24:03,710 --> 00:23:58,860
different directions that all of which

583
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:03,720
are like clearly like biased and and

584
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:05,940
kind of thwarting and stuff like that it

585
00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:07,860
can be challenging to kind of be like oh

586
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:10,740
my God like like Wake Me Up When It's

587
00:24:14,510 --> 00:24:13,080
Over You know what I mean like wait wake

588
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:14,520
me up when we've got when we've got

589
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,500
something more solid happening here and

590
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:19,200
thankfully if if these hearings do

591
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:22,200
happen you know it it does happen it

592
00:24:27,289 --> 00:24:25,559
does have a way of concretizing

593
00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:27,299
um what we're dealing with you know when

594
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,600
people have to you know swear or you

595
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,400
know like that what they're telling is

596
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,559
the truth before they go go in front of

597
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:36,480
Congress or you know whatever happens

598
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:38,940
there whatever gets put into the record

599
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,760
you know it's going to if that does

600
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:43,440
happen that is going to push the ball

601
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:45,900
forward no matter what you know even if

602
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:47,880
somebody even if very important people

603
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:49,799
are brought up and all they do is plead

604
00:24:54,169 --> 00:24:52,200
the fifth and say they can't talk about

605
00:24:57,529 --> 00:24:54,179
anything it's still going to move the

606
00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:57,539
ball forward because it'll establish

607
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:00,179
um and concretize like like what the

608
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:03,900
moment is at least within with regard to

609
00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:07,320
that particular you know Palace Intrigue

610
00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:10,020
branch of of disclosure and related

611
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:11,720
topics right

612
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:14,100
that would also be kind of boring hey

613
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:17,159
that's everybody's pump yeah you got a

614
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:19,559
little zondo up there like I can't talk

615
00:25:25,330 --> 00:25:21,780
about it I can't I can't talk about it

616
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:28,190
you know I mean like there's but I mean

617
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,059
there's also word on the streets that

618
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:31,919
you know a couple key whistleblowers

619
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,960
have also you know people that we don't

620
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:36,240
know the names of have maybe been

621
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,299
talking recently but there's also so

622
00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:42,480
much of that right now is like uh you

623
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:44,940
know there's stuff's happening this guy

624
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:48,600
said this over there that person right

625
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,140
yeah you know it's like really

626
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:54,960
yeah well tell me

627
00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:01,679
at the same time like I I kind of see it

628
00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:03,419
from both sides in a way because it's

629
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:06,600
like I get you know I want to know the

630
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:07,500
name of some of these cute

631
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:09,480
whistleblowers too I want to be able to

632
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,720
do my own you know research too

633
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,120
I want to find out more and at the same

634
00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:17,600
time like I also understand

635
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:30,769
or whoever you know what I mean and

636
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:32,340
they're trying to pin Chinese spy

637
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,260
balloons on the whole dip task force

638
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:36,600
office and atip and all that stuff and

639
00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:39,240
it's like it's so ridiculous it's it's

640
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:41,159
completely ridiculous but they're doing

641
00:26:45,049 --> 00:26:43,020
but they've done a great job of mudding

642
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:45,059
the waters and and like sit and making

643
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,220
it such that like anytime there's a

644
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:49,679
freaking news story now you have to it

645
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:51,240
involves UFOs you have to talk about

646
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:53,580
balloons too for some stupid reason and

647
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:55,860
like it doesn't and it didn't it wasn't

648
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,260
like that before this flap and now it's

649
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,200
like that for right now and and you know

650
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:04,080
this is exactly the kind of reason why

651
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:06,539
more and more people are recognizing the

652
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,179
need for like academic and independent

653
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:11,039
institutions to to be tackling these

654
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:12,840
subjects instead of people that are paid

655
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:13,690
to lie to us

656
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,340
[Laughter]

657
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,039
to be quite Frank

658
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,120
moving on

659
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,520
um do you want to do the the case the

660
00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:24,960
Stringfield case

661
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:27,779
sure yeah we can do that or or or we

662
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:28,860
could cover

663
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:32,100
um Eric Davis valet paper either which

664
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:34,260
way or both you know I'm happy to do

665
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:36,059
either or both I got the Springfield

666
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:40,260
case up so okay sure yeah first first

667
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:42,179
I'll just go through the document quick

668
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:46,080
and then I'll bring up the actual uh his

669
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,840
report on it does that work yeah sure

670
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,760
whatever you'd like to do I mean you

671
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:53,279
know it'd be good to like give people a

672
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:55,380
decent thorough understanding of what's

673
00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:56,820
Happening Here however you'd like to do

674
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,159
that sure yes or maybe we can switch

675
00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:02,159
maybe we'll do the his paper on it and

676
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:04,679
then I'll show the document thing sure

677
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,799
uh last now this is interesting so I

678
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:09,600
found some

679
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:12,720
uh nids documents

680
00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:15,600
and it's I put the description in in

681
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:17,460
this video so you can look up who that

682
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:19,740
is or whatever basically I found these

683
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:21,720
documents that were uploaded February of

684
00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:24,360
this year and

685
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:26,940
um they must have paid attention to this

686
00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:29,820
case because this was with the nids

687
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:33,240
document so it's pretty interesting it

688
00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:34,860
involves Mr

689
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:39,480
uh Leonard Stringfield and a

690
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:43,260
story about a being

691
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:49,440
shot and killed at a base in New Jersey

692
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:52,679
that's right yeah and um well that's

693
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,740
right about uh the the possibilities

694
00:29:02,510 --> 00:28:58,080
here or the alleged case and this

695
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:02,520
happened at McGuire uh Dick's uh it's a

696
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,500
joint Air Force Base

697
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,679
um Joint Base now and um interestingly

698
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:09,600
I've actually been to this to this base

699
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,360
I actually got a tour of this base once

700
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,159
um it's one of the only Air Force bases

701
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:16,500
I've ever been to and I was there

702
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:19,080
because um I used to I used to produce

703
00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:22,020
you know I used to produce TV and um

704
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,820
back when I was on a writer and a

705
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:25,200
producer I was a writer and a producer

706
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,700
on the show called Cake Boss where this

707
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:28,679
like Italian guy and his family would

708
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,059
like make cakes in the shapes of like

709
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:32,399
robots and dinosaurs and go deliver them

710
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:33,960
to people and then they'll be like wow

711
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:35,880
it's amazing and you'd be like who wants

712
00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:37,740
to eat some cake and so anyway one day

713
00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:42,120
we did exactly that uh at like um and we

714
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:44,100
took a tour of an Air Force Base and and

715
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,960
it was part of the show

716
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:47,940
um so this is one of the only so like I

717
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:49,140
actually it's funny because I actually

718
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:51,480
had have like a pretty decent visual

719
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:53,100
recall of what we were dealing with that

720
00:29:57,169 --> 00:29:55,500
day and they you know like there are a

721
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,179
lot of parameters about what we could do

722
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,039
and not do there and like they'd be like

723
00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:00,960
don't shoot that that's classified don't

724
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:02,760
shoot that that's classified and you

725
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,220
know we had to do like there were I I

726
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:06,720
think there were background checks and

727
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:08,340
like checks on our equipment and stuff

728
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:11,399
like this sure and and um you know they

729
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:13,500
checked the tapes before we left I think

730
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,299
of what was shot

731
00:30:18,649 --> 00:30:17,039
um but um and so you know there's

732
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:18,659
there's like a high degree of secrecy

733
00:30:23,149 --> 00:30:20,760
there so it was interesting to read

734
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:23,159
about this and kind of like what was

735
00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:25,620
going on there back in the 80s

736
00:30:28,669 --> 00:30:27,240
um but anyway you know living in

737
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:28,679
Stringfield he's a really interesting

738
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:32,100
guy he he started back in the 50s he he

739
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,740
had this uh independent uh uh

740
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,960
organization called crifo

741
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,000
um civilian research of interplan

742
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,700
interplanetary flying objects and then

743
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,399
after a while he kind of merged with he

744
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:46,559
produced his own newsletter that was

745
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:48,120
called orbit

746
00:30:51,769 --> 00:30:50,100
um and like there's some really fun

747
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,779
books you can find on Amazon that are

748
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,240
like actually bootleg coffees that

749
00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:56,340
compile some of those those old orbit

750
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:57,539
newsletters

751
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:59,340
um and then he joined up with uh Donald

752
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:01,020
Kehoe at nightcap

753
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:04,500
and then and then really in the 70s and

754
00:31:10,990 --> 00:31:07,860
80s he his he kind of took off

755
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:11,000
um in that he was one of the first

756
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:13,980
researchers who started really seriously

757
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:16,559
looking at the subject started looking

758
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:19,320
at the subject of Crash retrievals and

759
00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:22,440
and possibly like recovered beings or

760
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:24,059
biological matter

761
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:27,840
um because uh for before that most most

762
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:30,899
uh researchers you know other than say

763
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:33,299
like Keel or something like that

764
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,059
um we're we're hedging their bets by

765
00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:39,120
being extraordinarily conservative they

766
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:40,860
wouldn't they would barely ever mention

767
00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:43,500
occupants of craft they wouldn't say you

768
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:44,700
know there there would be words that

769
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:46,140
they would say they wouldn't entertain

770
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:48,059
the idea of abductions they wouldn't

771
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:50,460
wouldn't entertain the idea of anybody

772
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,960
getting onto a craft there's all this

773
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,640
kind of conservative stuff and Leonard

774
00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:54,960
Stringfield really made the name for

775
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,059
himself partially by being positioned

776
00:32:02,269 --> 00:31:59,039
near Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in

777
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,279
Cincinnati and partially by actually

778
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:05,279
covering these cases and having kind of

779
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:07,080
some Insider knowledge because of his

780
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:08,460
proximity to places like

781
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:10,620
Wright-Patterson right

782
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:13,860
yeah yeah uh he's done a lot of stuff

783
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:15,659
crash retrievals all this kind of stuff

784
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,520
but but this reporter kind of just blew

785
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,440
me away a little bit

786
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:21,120
um because there's an actual document

787
00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:23,700
attached to it I guess the document

788
00:32:28,669 --> 00:32:26,120
could be fake but it looks pretty real

789
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:28,679
so how do you want to do this how do you

790
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:29,820
want to go through it do you want to

791
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:32,220
read it or just kind of just discuss the

792
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:36,120
case up to you sure I mean why I mean we

793
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:37,380
could just get our hands dirty and

794
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:38,700
actually read it do you want to do that

795
00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:40,919
we could go back and forth or do you

796
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,600
want to do you want to read the abstract

797
00:32:46,269 --> 00:32:44,159
I'll start reading the prologue or

798
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:46,279
something like that or sure sure

799
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,380
we have new testimonial evidence in a

800
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:52,080
document our uh where it instead is

801
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,179
report for following the re-emergence in

802
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:56,640
1983 of the informant whose experience

803
00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:59,700
as a witness was first disclosed three

804
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:02,039
years earlier and published as a case A3

805
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:06,299
in status report 3 1982 The Source a

806
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,559
sergeant in the Air Force Security

807
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:09,840
Police at McGuire Air Force Base adds

808
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,299
substance in information relative to the

809
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,240
reported fatal encounter on January 18

810
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:17,760
1978 between an alleged alien entity and

811
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:20,340
a Fort Dix MP and relates his first-hand

812
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,220
observation while on duty when the slain

813
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,440
entity was found on the abandoned Runway

814
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,480
at McGuire Air Force Base The Source

815
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,399
also Reveals His sensitive involvement

816
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:31,440
with authorities in various agencies

817
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,440
following his discharge from service

818
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:36,960
because of his disclosures to this

819
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,000
writer also reported are the

820
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:41,039
communications with the source since

821
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:43,620
1980 in an arranged meeting between the

822
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,240
source and a colleague to lend backup

823
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:47,279
credibility to the case investigation

824
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:49,559
continues

825
00:33:55,789 --> 00:33:52,740
that's right uh prologue the burden of

826
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,799
proof proof the burden of this one word

827
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:58,080
and perhaps its ambiguity has haunted

828
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,120
and frustrated UFO research since

829
00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:02,880
businessman pilot Ken Arnold cited nine

830
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:05,240
saucer-like things over Mount Rainier in

831
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:09,119
1947. proof its implications burden all

832
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,740
of us who try to convince the skeptic

833
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:12,960
that unidentified objects flying under

834
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,000
apparent intelligent control have

835
00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:17,280
intruded into Earth's airspace and

836
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,800
sometimes allegedly land and on rare

837
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:21,960
occasions crash

838
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:24,720
all factors considered I believe we in

839
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,820
the domain of public research do not

840
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:29,280
have that exalted proof to exhibit for

841
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,500
any of the foregoing anomalous UFO

842
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,320
events as Dr J Allen heineck of kufos

843
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:36,720
would say we do have reports describing

844
00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:39,179
such events and as we will agree many

845
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,879
are made by credible people yes our

846
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,679
research treasury has thousands of

847
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:45,780
reports of UFO Encounters of all kinds

848
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:48,060
providing stacks of circumstantial but

849
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,240
highly suggestive evidence alas these

850
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,240
are not proof nor do affidavits leaked

851
00:34:58,910 --> 00:34:55,919
government documents and photographs

852
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,920
constitute proof regrettably experiences

853
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:00,480
taught us that any of these so-called

854
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,820
proofs May well be fakes even a release

855
00:35:06,410 --> 00:35:04,320
document through the Freedom of

856
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,420
Information Act is not proof for the

857
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,400
subject it treats too often contains

858
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:10,800
precious little of value due to sensor

859
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,260
deletions vague phraseology or

860
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:15,180
references rendered meaningless without

861
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:17,640
additional support data which are never

862
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:20,460
made available now I'll pause right here

863
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:21,960
for just a second because I think we'll

864
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,780
see as we continue to explore this

865
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:27,599
document how many situations are

866
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:30,800
relevant back here 35 40 years ago

867
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:33,720
to what's happening just now with

868
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,579
regards to possibility of upcoming

869
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:38,160
hearings and and where we are still with

870
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,260
regard to foia requests and things like

871
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:42,240
that wouldn't you say it Sean oh

872
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:43,859
definitely completely agree with you

873
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:49,020
there yeah um I can go so sure what is

874
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:50,940
that proof that remains so elusive from

875
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:52,920
public view according to Scientific

876
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:55,140
discipline proof in the case of UFO can

877
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,480
be reduced simply to the possession of a

878
00:36:02,329 --> 00:35:59,940
captive craft or artifact or a cadaver

879
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:02,339
if you will that can be seen touched and

880
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,300
smelled and to please fill class LOL the

881
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:08,400
world's foremost debunker slash Midwest

882
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:09,960
we might include

883
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:13,320
taste it I must

884
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,440
I must therefore face the inevitable

885
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,480
questions in my special research has

886
00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:20,940
such a nondescript craft been retrieved

887
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,640
and studied in to stretch a point

888
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,160
duplicated at some secret base and has a

889
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,560
crew member of exotic Anatomy been

890
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:30,960
secretly examined and maintained in

891
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:33,480
chemical preservation at some medical

892
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,099
facility

893
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:37,440
in spite of all the known evidence

894
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:39,180
including the testimony I've published

895
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:40,980
in my series of monographs I can offer

896
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:44,280
no proof but my definition of the

897
00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:46,440
recovery of an alien crafter's occupants

898
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,619
so be it for me in the public sector

899
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:52,140
then there is the official sector whose

900
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:53,880
military spokespeople from the outset

901
00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:56,880
have denied the existence of the UFO why

902
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:59,099
by now it should be obvious to every

903
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:01,260
researcher that Behind These denials

904
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:04,320
something Above Top Secret as Senator

905
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,540
Barry Goldwater has said is being hidden

906
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:08,880
perhaps something big enough to shake up

907
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,460
her societal patterns whatever we may

908
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:13,560
think of its implications for mankind we

909
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,020
at do know that much information has

910
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:18,720
been barred since World War II by

911
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:22,500
credible military sources in about UFO

912
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:24,300
intercept missions aircraft losses

913
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,220
visual sightings confirmed by radar and

914
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:28,320
yes UFO Landings on military

915
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:31,619
installations and a crash among several

916
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,980
one dating back to 1947. on the other

917
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:36,900
hand if all UFOs have simple

918
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:39,180
explanations as the Air Force contends

919
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,359
and as a spokesman once commented we are

920
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:44,640
hiding nothing at wright-pet then why

921
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:47,760
enforce such high degree of secrecy to

922
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,180
hide nothing logically we may ask what

923
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:53,579
is it that must be hidden at all costs

924
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:56,880
is it alien Hardware alien cadavers if

925
00:38:02,930 --> 00:37:59,460
so why not tell the world why the long

926
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:02,940
agonizing secrecy here again we can only

927
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:05,640
guess but a likely one is that to face

928
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,500
the media of the world they had better

929
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:09,839
have answers for the UFO's origin and

930
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:10,859
intent

931
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:13,260
without answers after so many years The

932
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,940
credibility gap of our government and

933
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:16,680
its scientific advisors would greatly

934
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,339
suffer and without answers the experts

935
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,220
in the military the CIA the NSA nro and

936
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,320
NASA who helped foreign policy will

937
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:28,079
continue their secret probes in silence

938
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,780
it seems fair to say we all have our

939
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:32,640
proof problems

940
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:34,200
I would like to be assured that

941
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,880
governments worldwide including Russia

942
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,020
and especially our own National

943
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,240
reconnaissance office are working on

944
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,760
these problems in good faith I address

945
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:43,320
these problems with new evidence for

946
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:46,440
case A3 published status report three

947
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:49,260
UFO crash retrievals amassing the

948
00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:52,140
evidence 1982.

949
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:54,119
all right so we've got a great setup

950
00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:55,880
from from

951
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:58,140
you're doing great man you're doing

952
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,400
amazing

953
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:00,960
um so we've got a great setup from from

954
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:03,900
Leonard on kind of like where what was

955
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:06,180
the lay of the lands back here in the

956
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:07,619
early 80s

957
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:09,900
um and you know it's it's important to

958
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:13,380
recognize like how men you know a how

959
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:15,240
far we've come in some ways in terms of

960
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:18,540
acknowledgments and B how much some of

961
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:20,280
these kind of institutional frustrations

962
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,920
are are just as similar than as they are

963
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,000
today

964
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,680
um would you like me to start up here

965
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,839
with yeah cool evidence and it's okay

966
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:30,480
cool and uh this feels like it would be

967
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:31,800
a good page for you

968
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,290
the evidence and it's burden of proof

969
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,240
September 23rd 1980 was to become more

970
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:44,640
than just a typically busy day for me in

971
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:48,000
UFO matters according to my UFO log I

972
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:49,680
note that I had Communications by phone

973
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:52,200
and mail with Joe Brill Michael Dugan

974
00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:55,380
Bob Gribble Diane sag and a journalist

975
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:57,240
in Japan who apparently doesn't get a

976
00:40:02,690 --> 00:39:59,700
name and there was an envelope with an

977
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:02,700
APO San Francisco return address of

978
00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:04,920
interest of course was Gribble's call

979
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:08,099
concerning a new source a trucker who

980
00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:09,720
reported that he had transported

981
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:11,700
something secret for the military from

982
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:15,180
Aztec New Mexico in the late 40s and a

983
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:17,099
response to a letter I had sent to seg

984
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:19,800
seeking information from a source she

985
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:22,500
knew who had seen a captured saucer at a

986
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:25,380
Texas Air Base but standing out above

987
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:27,660
all else was the letter APO San

988
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,260
Francisco dated September 16 1980 it was

989
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,119
typed in proper military format

990
00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:35,760
unstationary with official letter ahead

991
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,460
uh note that I have deleted the Security

992
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:41,400
Police Squadron number in figure one

993
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:43,079
which we don't actually have in this

994
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:45,180
document the name of the sender has been

995
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:47,640
changed changed to Jeffrey Morse in this

996
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:48,660
report

997
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,820
needless to say I was stunned by the

998
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,800
Sergeant's bold disclosure of a military

999
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,200
incident of fatal consequences at

1000
00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:57,839
McGuire Air Force Base New Jersey my

1001
00:41:02,270 --> 00:40:59,640
first reaction was that it was a hoax

1002
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:02,280
perhaps designed if it were published to

1003
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,920
embarrass or discredit my probes into

1004
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:07,920
UFO crash retrievals still fresh in mind

1005
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:10,859
was another episode in 1980 involving

1006
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:13,740
questionable photographs received from a

1007
00:41:19,069 --> 00:41:16,020
source under clandestine Arrangements

1008
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:19,079
requiring my travel to another state in

1009
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:21,300
this case although my initial role was

1010
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:22,980
to have the photograph studied and

1011
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:25,140
authenticated I made the mistake of

1012
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:27,300
announcing their acquisition at the 1980

1013
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:30,660
mufon Symposium in Houston thanks to a

1014
00:41:35,569 --> 00:41:32,760
Swift and well-orchestrated smear

1015
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:35,579
campaign researchers by and large became

1016
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:37,740
confused and questioned both the

1017
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:41,280
photographs and my credibility a hoax a

1018
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:44,040
stratagem to set me up probably but a

1019
00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:46,320
lesson was learned

1020
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:48,420
during this fragile period being

1021
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,220
suspicious of any stranger was

1022
00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:52,680
information to offer I read morse's

1023
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:55,079
letter over and over and in between the

1024
00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:57,180
lines looking for anything detectively

1025
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:00,599
wrong but I could find nothing wrong the

1026
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:02,820
letterhead was real the military format

1027
00:42:07,089 --> 00:42:05,160
was correct the writer told the story as

1028
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:07,099
fact without emotional embellishment

1029
00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:10,200
maybe I reasoned it was the sobriety of

1030
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:12,119
the official letterhead that made the

1031
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:14,280
story itself seem out of place with the

1032
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,300
real world

1033
00:42:19,609 --> 00:42:17,760
like so many other stories of UFO close

1034
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,619
encounters it sounded like borderline

1035
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:22,079
fantasy and some also involved the

1036
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:24,660
military such as the British rindlesham

1037
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:26,099
Forest case

1038
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:28,980
time will tell I assured myself soon

1039
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:31,740
Sergeant Morse would return home and if

1040
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:33,480
he had something of substance to back

1041
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:35,700
his claims it would be the Breakthrough

1042
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,280
I was determined to see this one case

1043
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:41,040
Through disregarding Time energy and

1044
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,560
cost proving it however would be a

1045
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:45,839
Monumental burden to better understand

1046
00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:48,359
the incident and its ramifications some

1047
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:50,339
of which later followed my source into

1048
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:53,220
civilian life I believe it is essential

1049
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:56,099
to report verbatim most of my early

1050
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:57,839
exchanges of communications with them

1051
00:43:02,569 --> 00:43:00,060
this covers a span of time for morse's

1052
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:02,579
initial letter in 1980 into a period of

1053
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,099
apparent male interference then through

1054
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,200
his long interval of Silence into his

1055
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,079
re-emergence in 1983.

1056
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,720
as advised in morse's overseas letter my

1057
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,599
reply of September 27 1980 was mailed to

1058
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:18,000
his home address in the main it was a

1059
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,980
message to establish a rapport of trust

1060
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:21,900
between us one in which he could feel

1061
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:23,640
comfortable in sharing the burden of his

1062
00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:26,220
experience and to allay any anxieties he

1063
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:27,540
may have had about my research

1064
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:30,300
background my questions were few and

1065
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:32,760
simple one for instance asked for more

1066
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:34,440
descriptive detail of the recovered body

1067
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:37,079
another asked how the body was removed

1068
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:39,480
from the scene and by whom and still

1069
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:41,880
another if he could reveal any names of

1070
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,579
the Personnel assigned to the area I

1071
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:46,680
ended my letter with this thought hope

1072
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:48,420
to hear from you soon and will follow

1073
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,460
your mailing instructions your letter

1074
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:52,319
will remain confidential at this time

1075
00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:55,560
and of course your name not be used in

1076
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,819
any way

1077
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:58,560
you want to pick it up from there

1078
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,319
Sergeant Moss who is to be discharged

1079
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,839
and back home in November 1980 did not

1080
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,640
acknowledge my letter

1081
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:08,640
considering the time lapse is critical I

1082
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:11,099
sent another letter November 18 1980

1083
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:12,660
quoted in part

1084
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:15,060
Hope by now you're out of the service as

1085
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:16,920
you indicated in your letter from

1086
00:44:22,089 --> 00:44:20,280
address on September 27th I can't keep

1087
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:22,099
that up so I gotta score

1088
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,359
I sent you a letter concerning my

1089
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:26,460
research Endeavors which I trust you

1090
00:44:30,829 --> 00:44:28,440
received at your home address the

1091
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:30,839
incident you describe is indeed of

1092
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,700
interest to me and I hope you may find

1093
00:44:38,270 --> 00:44:35,119
time soon to reach me by letter or phone

1094
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,280
or perhaps to meet me at your

1095
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,560
convenience you are certainly welcome to

1096
00:44:44,750 --> 00:44:42,960
visit my home I tried reaching you by

1097
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:44,760
phone last week but your number is

1098
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,260
unlisted

1099
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:49,680
in a letter it dated November 27 1980

1100
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,680
from his home address Morris answered as

1101
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:54,240
follows

1102
00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:56,940
sorry to have had such a delay in my

1103
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:59,579
response to you I'm sorry to say I did

1104
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,500
not receive your letter of the 27

1105
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:04,560
September 1980. I haven't received any

1106
00:45:10,609 --> 00:45:08,160
mail since August 1980. I don't know why

1107
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:10,619
I am now out of the service and I'm home

1108
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:13,260
I'm prepared to answer your questions I

1109
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:15,660
believe however I told you everything I

1110
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:16,500
know

1111
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:20,520
but I'm not sure it was much to go on

1112
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:22,980
but I hope it leads you to someone who

1113
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,020
knows more about it I'm sorry I can't

1114
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,599
recall too many names the death sergeant

1115
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:29,400
that night was Sergeant C

1116
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:31,560
and he would know much more as fact

1117
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,619
that's all I know of his name however I

1118
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:36,900
do remember that he was rather dedicated

1119
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:40,380
and may still be in the USAF well

1120
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:43,140
I would like your next response ASAP and

1121
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:44,640
I will try to give you my phone number

1122
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:45,780
by then

1123
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,780
on December 4th 1980 I sent Morris the

1124
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:50,880
following memorandum your letter of

1125
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:53,400
November 27th arrived yesterday I was

1126
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:54,900
surprised to learn that my letter of

1127
00:45:59,690 --> 00:45:56,700
September 27th did not reach you

1128
00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:59,700
fortunately I kept a Xerox copy which

1129
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:01,319
I've duplicated and closed for your

1130
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:03,660
consideration I hope you can send me

1131
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:05,220
your phone number enclosed as the

1132
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:07,260
greatest copy of my recently published

1133
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:08,760
status report too

1134
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:11,700
which shows the scope of my research

1135
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,520
again Morris for unknown reasons did not

1136
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:16,800
answer considering his expressed

1137
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:18,300
interest in my research and even

1138
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:20,760
allowing for other personal diversions I

1139
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,020
thought that two and a half months were

1140
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:23,760
enough time for him to respond in

1141
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:26,460
February 16 1981 I wrote again

1142
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,980
expressing my concern and asked for a

1143
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:31,260
prep reply as evidence of his sincerity

1144
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,540
no answer

1145
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:35,280
had it not been for Morris brief letter

1146
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,180
of November 27th in which he asked me to

1147
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,520
ask for me to respond ASAP I would have

1148
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:43,260
dismissed his disclosure of the incident

1149
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:46,140
as questionable something was amiss

1150
00:46:52,430 --> 00:46:49,380
or was the male sent to his home being

1151
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:52,440
lost through negligence long shot or

1152
00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:55,140
lifted at his post office by directive

1153
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,940
to the postmaster from one of the

1154
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,800
intelligence agencies

1155
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,720
well whatever the method used to silence

1156
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:02,880
Jeffrey Moore's I reasoned it was

1157
00:47:07,569 --> 00:47:05,460
effective all communication ceased and

1158
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:07,579
like so many other informants in 1980

1159
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:10,800
Morris became a phantom

1160
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,380
by March 1981 while preparing the next

1161
00:47:18,109 --> 00:47:16,319
text for status report three I had

1162
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:18,119
decided it was time to take inventory

1163
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,220
time for appraisal of the material on

1164
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:22,079
hand and of myself still in the midst of

1165
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:23,940
a heated controversy among researchers

1166
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,579
over the pros and cons of UFO crashes

1167
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,079
and retrievals

1168
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:30,780
I needed outside thinking an assessment

1169
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:32,819
of cases A New Perspective

1170
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:35,400
to this end I invited to my home two

1171
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:37,140
trustworthy friends who supported and

1172
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:39,660
contributed to my Endeavors Dr Peter

1173
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:41,880
rank chief of radiology at the Methodist

1174
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:44,220
Hospital in Madison Wisconsin and

1175
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,140
Richard Hall a former assistant director

1176
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:48,000
of nightcap and the editor of the mufon

1177
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:49,560
UFO Journal

1178
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,140
during our long weekend chats evaluating

1179
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,480
every case I plan to publish we agree

1180
00:47:59,530 --> 00:47:56,880
that the Fort Dix McGuire encounter was

1181
00:48:02,930 --> 00:47:59,540
among the foremost as to potential value

1182
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:02,940
providing we could establish the

1183
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,119
genuineness of Moors on this premise I

1184
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:08,400
gave Hall his name and address hopeful

1185
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,680
that new blood might stimulate his

1186
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,200
response

1187
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:15,839
on April 10 1982 Hall sent Morse a

1188
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:17,640
certified letter offering on my behalf

1189
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:20,040
to meet him anywhere anytime to discuss

1190
00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:22,260
the incident and provide my Professional

1191
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:24,900
Services and funds if needed

1192
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:26,700
curiously the certified letter was

1193
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:28,560
received and signed for by Morris April

1194
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:31,380
12 but the silence continued continued

1195
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,460
for 17 months then on September 27 1983

1196
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,920
all received an urgent letter from Morse

1197
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,319
quoted as follows

1198
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:42,480
I'm writing you in regards to your

1199
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,960
letter 10th April 1982. I'm sorry that

1200
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,819
it has taken so long to answer your

1201
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,160
letter I had to be sure about you and

1202
00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:52,859
your organization my mail has not been

1203
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:55,619
monitored for some time now however I

1204
00:49:00,589 --> 00:48:57,960
must not express my information in

1205
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,599
letter form I've been warned threatened

1206
00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:02,640
and I've personally been interrogated as

1207
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:05,819
recently as February 1983.

1208
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:07,859
in reference to the subject I discussed

1209
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:09,780
with Lynn Stringfield

1210
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:12,900
I also have further information which I

1211
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:14,940
know will interest you I have the

1212
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:17,880
opportunity now to travel to DC area so

1213
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:19,740
if you wish to contact me again you

1214
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:21,780
should still have my address hope to

1215
00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:24,060
hear from you soon if after two weeks I

1216
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:25,859
have not heard from you I will no longer

1217
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:28,200
acknowledge my participation with your

1218
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:32,640
group nor will I answer any mail

1219
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:34,680
when Hall phoned the news to me I

1220
00:49:38,290 --> 00:49:36,660
advised that he follow up quickly by

1221
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,300
letter and arrange for a meeting

1222
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,319
unfortunately because of personal

1223
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:42,960
circumstances Hall's reply October 10 to

1224
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:44,339
83

1225
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:46,500
was sent a couple of days later than the

1226
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:51,000
deadline set by Morris again silence

1227
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:53,819
on November 30th 1983 I wrote I wrote

1228
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,800
Morris the following letter quoted in

1229
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:57,599
part

1230
00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:03,829
but you got to do the southern accent oh

1231
00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:05,579
I gotta do the southern accent no yeah

1232
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:07,500
okay

1233
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,900
I held off right and until today no

1234
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,520
hoping that a little breathing time

1235
00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:13,200
would give you the motivation to write

1236
00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:15,300
it is difficult to believe that the mail

1237
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:18,119
I sent you in 1980 and 1981 failed to

1238
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,940
research you a route to reach you or if

1239
00:50:24,010 --> 00:50:22,319
you had received my letters that you

1240
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:24,020
were unable to reach me in some manner

1241
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:26,280
obviously there was interference both

1242
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:29,339
ways I felt hopeful that house letter

1243
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:31,079
could open a new door of communications

1244
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:33,720
or better still a personal meeting with

1245
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,300
him now that several weeks have passed I

1246
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:38,280
Feel Again concerned about your safety

1247
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:40,980
assuming you're still a free person I

1248
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:43,319
suggest you simply call me reversing the

1249
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:45,720
charges Jeff please respond in some way

1250
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,640
if only to acknowledge you received this

1251
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,920
letter now Sean I'll take a brief pause

1252
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:51,599
here to say like I think it's very

1253
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:53,880
possible that you know you know Leonard

1254
00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:55,619
Stringfield saying that you know between

1255
00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:58,200
him Richard Hall and this guy Jeff that

1256
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,660
that was this witness here

1257
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:03,359
um that there could have been some kind

1258
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:06,180
of deliberate miscommunication or you

1259
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:08,099
know male theft happening and at the

1260
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:10,740
same time this could you know overall be

1261
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:13,380
a situation of this guy Jeff like kind

1262
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,020
of fearing for his career and or you

1263
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,720
know being worried about uh um the

1264
00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:20,880
situation at hand right

1265
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:22,619
um it could be it could be either of

1266
00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:24,180
those situations and it could be both

1267
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:27,059
and you know it's hard to say you know

1268
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,540
here we are 40 years later it's just to

1269
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,920
really say right

1270
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:32,880
um

1271
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:35,819
so more Surface by phone on December 6

1272
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:38,819
1983 and I've heard his voice for the

1273
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:40,740
first time he called me at dinner time

1274
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,900
identifying himself by first name only

1275
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,359
he said he felt safe now as enough time

1276
00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:47,460
had passed since an official visitor

1277
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,500
warned him about his oath of secrecy

1278
00:51:54,049 --> 00:51:52,020
talking cautiously for about 15 minutes

1279
00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:54,059
we covered the basics of many issues

1280
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:56,220
among his high points however were the

1281
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:58,140
disclosures the two days after the

1282
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,180
incident he and others on duty at the

1283
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:01,680
scene were summoned to write Patterson

1284
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,900
Air Force Base for interrogation and

1285
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,240
that each was transferred promptly to a

1286
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:08,400
separate base overseas

1287
00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:11,220
that which totally reminds me of the

1288
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:13,319
Mario Woods Case by the way exactly like

1289
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:15,180
that's exactly you guys go back and

1290
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:17,579
listen to our video with Mario Woods

1291
00:52:22,490 --> 00:52:20,280
that's the same thing that happened to

1292
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:22,500
him after his encounter he got shipped

1293
00:52:26,349 --> 00:52:24,660
off to a different base he never saw the

1294
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:26,359
person he had that experience with again

1295
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:29,940
and to this day he can't find him

1296
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,220
um so it's so interesting that they

1297
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,599
share those

1298
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:35,760
yeah you know those commonalities sir

1299
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:37,980
and he also got shipped to Asia as well

1300
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:42,480
yes right yeah yeah his assignment his

1301
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:44,460
assignment was to a new Security Police

1302
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:47,760
Squadron in Okinawa others he said went

1303
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:49,800
to the Philippines Germany and Korea

1304
00:52:54,109 --> 00:52:52,020
finally he promised to answer my

1305
00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:54,119
question so I had my letter and he gave

1306
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:55,500
me his phone number

1307
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:58,020
's phone call opened the gates I

1308
00:53:01,010 --> 00:52:59,339
followed up the next day with a

1309
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:01,020
four-page letter in which I reiterated

1310
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,260
questions asked in 1980. also excerpted

1311
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:06,960
from my letter quote your your testimony

1312
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:09,180
is important of course I'll need backup

1313
00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:11,339
Witnesses such as dick Hall so that

1314
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:14,040
credibility is established enclosed is a

1315
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,440
copy of status report three your report

1316
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:18,960
case A3 and on page nine with my

1317
00:53:22,609 --> 00:53:20,339
comments about our correspondence

1318
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:22,619
problems at one point I wondered if you

1319
00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:24,420
really existed or if your letter was a

1320
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,819
hoax so you can imagine my relief when I

1321
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:29,280
heard your voice Morse replied promptly

1322
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,800
his letter and postmarked December 14th

1323
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:34,559
1983 included a map he sketched of the

1324
00:53:37,309 --> 00:53:36,300
scene of action and a rough drawing of

1325
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:37,319
the body

1326
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:39,240
answers to some of my key questions

1327
00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:42,180
appear later in the text test text of

1328
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,280
this paper wherever the subject is

1329
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:46,559
appropriate additional information came

1330
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:49,140
by phone on December 13th in this

1331
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:51,000
exchange I got the names and ranks of

1332
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:52,980
the officers who were interrogators at

1333
00:53:57,230 --> 00:53:55,200
Wright-Patterson these he said were

1334
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:57,240
obtained from a source still in the Air

1335
00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:59,700
Force he preferred not to identify

1336
00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:01,800
it was the Fort Dix McGuire case going

1337
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:04,440
from square square one to square two my

1338
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,359
dialogue with Morse was now on a

1339
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:08,400
constant but cautious track always

1340
00:54:12,829 --> 00:54:10,440
mindful of surveillance

1341
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,839
the next event came as a surprise by

1342
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:15,599
certified mail postmarked December 23

1343
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:18,660
1983 on the flap of the envelope it said

1344
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,220
Merry Christmas I hope you like it

1345
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:23,040
inside was the Xerox copy of the

1346
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,520
incident complaint Report Form 1569 that

1347
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,500
Morse had hinted by phone he might be

1348
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:31,380
able to procure as important backup and

1349
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:33,420
that's what I have that we can look at

1350
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:36,900
after this awesome awesome awesome the

1351
00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:38,700
report was brief but essentially

1352
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:41,099
contained the same story told by Morris

1353
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:44,460
prepared by dusk Sergeant WC and signed

1354
00:54:50,089 --> 00:54:47,099
by first lieutenant WS it was channeled

1355
00:54:52,609 --> 00:54:50,099
to Colonel Landon commanding officer of

1356
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:52,619
McGuire Air Force Base Brigadier General

1357
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:55,740
Brown headquarters 21st Air Force at

1358
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,960
McGuire Air Force Base and the Air Force

1359
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:00,420
office of special investigations

1360
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:03,599
it contained the names of the security

1361
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,880
policemen involved including Morse and

1362
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,920
the name of the MP assigned to Fort Dix

1363
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:10,079
who Morse later identified as the person

1364
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:13,140
having shot the alien intruder

1365
00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:15,660
however as agreed in our ensuing talks

1366
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,880
go ahead I will time out here before we

1367
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:19,680
get too far so the office of special

1368
00:55:25,849 --> 00:55:23,520
investigations afosi that's exactly

1369
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:25,859
uh the people who would be investigating

1370
00:55:31,849 --> 00:55:28,140
this so

1371
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,859
um so all this lines up so this guy you

1372
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:34,319
know if if this Moore's guy had been

1373
00:55:37,849 --> 00:55:36,059
making this up or some strange reason

1374
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:37,859
wanted to do this hoax or whatever he

1375
00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:40,980
knows what he's talking about so yep as

1376
00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:42,540
far as the inner workings of the Air

1377
00:55:47,450 --> 00:55:45,240
Force so sorry go ahead oh yeah no and

1378
00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:47,460
like even the way that you know the

1379
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,319
transfer and things like that really

1380
00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:52,559
line up with with the very secretive way

1381
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:55,140
that that that the Air Force handled

1382
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:57,240
people like this back in those days and

1383
00:56:02,030 --> 00:55:59,099
back in that exact era as we heard from

1384
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,040
Mario woods so it's all lining up it's a

1385
00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:04,559
really interesting case

1386
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:07,559
um also to to protect the persons named

1387
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:09,480
as you later confirmed in question Morse

1388
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,700
had opaque opaque doubt the social

1389
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,680
security numbers opposite each name in

1390
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:15,359
the report those numbers are private he

1391
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:16,079
said

1392
00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:18,900
via the document that we'll see in a

1393
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,059
little bit is validly not proof for it

1394
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,280
to be established as a bona fide would

1395
00:56:28,609 --> 00:56:25,200
in turn require additional and

1396
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,619
irretrievable reports memoranda tapes

1397
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:30,960
onto Infinity in this regard however

1398
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:33,059
more said on several occasions that he

1399
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,300
had attempted to obtain a later form

1400
00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:38,640
1569 report mentioned by the desk

1401
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,800
sergeant but was unsuccessful

1402
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,839
nevertheless the incident complaint

1403
00:56:46,849 --> 00:56:44,880
report as it stands is a strong link of

1404
00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:46,859
evidence not easily dismissed even if

1405
00:56:53,089 --> 00:56:49,859
denied officially or by any of its named

1406
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:53,099
Personnel who might be coerced to do so

1407
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:55,500
the Genesis for case A3 as it is

1408
00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:58,619
designated in status report 3 is a taped

1409
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:01,079
rebroadcast over the Armed Forces Far

1410
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:03,300
Eastern radio network of an interview

1411
00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:08,400
conducted by Charlie tuna of Katz this

1412
00:57:14,809 --> 00:57:11,300
is Charlie tuna

1413
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:14,819
Katz Los Angeles I'm guessing this is an

1414
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:18,180
alias DJ name Charlie tuna of like a

1415
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:19,859
Helen wolf kind of situation Charlie

1416
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:22,920
tuna of Katz Los Angeles

1417
00:57:32,290 --> 00:57:25,740
don't compare Charlie tuna with Howlin

1418
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:35,690
he's no Dr Demento come on that the guy

1419
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:37,380
with the name of Charlie tuna is like

1420
00:57:42,349 --> 00:57:40,260
forever gonna be on the JV Squad you

1421
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:42,359
know yeah yeah however he's gonna make

1422
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,980
it into a Leonard Stringfield incident

1423
00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:46,319
report so there you go Charlie tuna

1424
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:48,780
lives on the legend of the tuna

1425
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,839
continues okay sorry you can tell how I

1426
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,480
was in school just like totally like up

1427
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,640
Jones board he's starting interrupting

1428
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:59,280
yeah and what do I do oh yes and you and

1429
00:58:04,329 --> 00:58:00,780
like I just encourage you to keep doing

1430
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:06,950
I remember the interview well concerning

1431
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:09,240
my UFO crash retrieval probes at which

1432
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:11,339
time I was promoting status report too

1433
00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:13,380
now when okay I'll just briefly mention

1434
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:14,700
he keeps talking about these status

1435
00:58:18,589 --> 00:58:16,200
reports now these are these incident

1436
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,599
reports these large format kind of

1437
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,640
research papers that that he actually

1438
00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:23,280
that Leonard's drinkfield compiled and

1439
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:24,900
they're actually available you can get

1440
00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:26,760
this is kind of a hard to get partially

1441
00:58:31,309 --> 00:58:28,859
because it's kind of pricey a book you

1442
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:31,319
can get on Amazon Amazon UFO crash

1443
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,720
retrievals the complete status reports

1444
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,280
one through seven and so when he's

1445
00:58:38,809 --> 00:58:36,720
talking status report three status

1446
00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:38,819
report two Leonard Stringfield he's not

1447
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,619
talking from the position of some kind

1448
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:42,480
of official agency it was on he just

1449
00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:44,940
named that stuff uh he named his own

1450
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:46,920
reports that and for those that are

1451
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,220
interested uh the UFO crash retrievals

1452
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,040
it's it's a really treasured book uh in

1453
00:58:58,190 --> 00:58:55,740
in kind of like the lore of of that era

1454
00:59:00,109 --> 00:58:58,200
so anyway uh at which time I was

1455
00:59:02,510 --> 00:59:00,119
promoting status report 2 published by

1456
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:02,520
mufon at the close of the interview I

1457
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:04,200
gave my home address for listeners who

1458
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,420
might contribute information by chance

1459
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:08,400
Morse was his new Security Police

1460
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:11,640
Squadron in Okinawa heard as did others

1461
00:59:16,609 --> 00:59:14,640
in the U.S armed forces in the far east

1462
00:59:18,589 --> 00:59:16,619
as confirmation of this I have a letter

1463
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:18,599
of inquiry from a serviceman Dan Cook

1464
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:20,280
stationed in Korea who mentioned the

1465
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,420
broadcast

1466
00:59:26,030 --> 00:59:23,520
to establish how it all began I believe

1467
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:26,040
is important for it to for it diminishes

1468
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:27,900
the chance that Morse may have acted in

1469
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:30,540
collusion with a Stateside hoaxer also

1470
00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:32,040
to verify that he was stationed in

1471
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:34,200
Okinawa I asked questions about the

1472
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:35,880
Island's terrain and it's little-known

1473
00:59:41,089 --> 00:59:39,119
offshore island Ishima his answers were

1474
00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:41,099
right on target as I knew these islands

1475
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:42,839
well having been there myself with the

1476
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:45,000
Fifth Air Force in World War II

1477
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:46,980
for the incident itself at McGuire Air

1478
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,900
Force Base we have only morse's word and

1479
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:51,119
his word only that it happened the way

1480
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:53,640
he described it based on his recall of

1481
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,140
his own experience and observations

1482
01:00:00,109 --> 00:59:57,599
other than the incident complaint report

1483
01:00:02,030 --> 01:00:00,119
which produced names no other person has

1484
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:02,040
responded to morse's request for backup

1485
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:04,260
testimony one letter he addressed to

1486
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,819
another member of his unit on patrol

1487
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,400
went unanswered still another refused

1488
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:10,319
his surface to his request fearing for

1489
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:12,900
his career in the services no way was

1490
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:15,660
the response additional details about

1491
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:17,819
the affair came bit by bit based on

1492
01:00:22,609 --> 01:00:20,460
specific questions by letter by phone

1493
01:00:24,829 --> 01:00:22,619
and letter during 1984 which are broken

1494
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,839
down for Simplicity into categories as

1495
01:00:31,730 --> 01:00:26,400
follows do you want to tackle the

1496
01:00:37,549 --> 01:00:35,329
at varying times during his Patrol Duty

1497
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:37,559
Morse was within 40 to 70 feet from the

1498
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:39,180
prostate body

1499
01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:42,059
on the abandoned Runway number five ever

1500
01:00:46,849 --> 01:00:44,040
close enough to observe details such as

1501
01:00:49,130 --> 01:00:46,859
facial features or its hands and feet he

1502
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:49,140
did recall that under the glare of the

1503
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,540
truck headlights the skin of the unclad

1504
01:00:56,329 --> 01:00:53,280
hairless body was wet shiny and

1505
01:00:58,430 --> 01:00:56,339
snake-like as reported in his initial

1506
01:01:00,410 --> 01:00:58,440
letter The Entity was about four feet in

1507
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:00,420
height with a large head slender torso

1508
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:03,480
thin arms and legs and overall of greige

1509
01:01:09,289 --> 01:01:06,000
brown coloration unquestionably not

1510
01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:09,299
human it was however of humanoid stature

1511
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,599
fitting the anatomical description so

1512
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:14,640
often heard from military sources who

1513
01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:17,400
have been who have made claim to having

1514
01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:20,220
seen entities at crash sites and as

1515
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:23,400
defined coincidentally by medical Source

1516
01:01:29,569 --> 01:01:26,040
Who allegedly performed an autopsy on a

1517
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:29,579
specimen in the early 1950s

1518
01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:32,220
always I don't read the what's in the

1519
01:01:36,130 --> 01:01:34,619
parentheses sure so yeah yeah yeah and

1520
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:36,140
yeah

1521
01:01:41,870 --> 01:01:39,540
oh always pressing for more detail and

1522
01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:41,880
once uh preferred the notion that the

1523
01:01:47,089 --> 01:01:44,220
McGuire corpse would have been that of a

1524
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:47,099
wild animal uh deer perhaps or an

1525
01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:48,559
escaped Ape from a military

1526
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:52,200
experimentation lab or a zoo Titus Morse

1527
01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:55,140
replied no Zoo nearby we did have a

1528
01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:57,480
problem with deer on the runway but no

1529
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,540
one ever made such a big fuss over deer

1530
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,880
the only other animal anomaly that Morse

1531
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:04,559
attributed the presence of the body to

1532
01:02:11,450 --> 01:02:08,400
was the strong smell of ammonia

1533
01:02:14,270 --> 01:02:11,460
in the cold night air and I note here

1534
01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:14,280
that the same odor also prevailed at the

1535
01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:17,460
alleged crash site in case two eight two

1536
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:20,280
uh of status report three also Emmanuel

1537
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:23,160
was smelled and the Virginia case

1538
01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:26,880
exactly yeah totally

1539
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,920
and there are other cases in Blue Book

1540
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,960
actually that I've found where uh smells

1541
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,880
came with it so I wish I had those you

1542
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,799
know right now that I could chill but

1543
01:02:39,530 --> 01:02:36,720
trust me they do exist not many but

1544
01:02:41,390 --> 01:02:39,540
they're in there but yeah ammonia eggs I

1545
01:02:42,289 --> 01:02:41,400
like those are common common reference

1546
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:42,299
points

1547
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:43,440
yeah

1548
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,260
UFO reports Morris who had never cited a

1549
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:48,720
UFO before or after the incident was

1550
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,460
among many on duty who witnessed the

1551
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,319
bluish green lights flying high and in

1552
01:02:57,230 --> 01:02:54,000
tight formation over the adjoining Fort

1553
01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:57,240
Dix McGuire bases and in in the incident

1554
01:03:02,150 --> 01:02:59,160
complaint report is the confirmation of

1555
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:02,160
their flight by radar operator a1cr on

1556
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:04,559
duty at the airbase control tower

1557
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,180
also he had to learn from the state

1558
01:03:10,490 --> 01:03:08,160
trooper and later from his death

1559
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:10,500
Sergeant WC that one of the UFOs had

1560
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:12,780
come in at low level over the Fort Dix

1561
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:15,540
MPS patrol car causing temporary failure

1562
01:03:24,530 --> 01:03:21,230
although he never was able to see or

1563
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:24,540
talk with the Fort Dix MP JS Morris did

1564
01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:26,040
see confirmation after his military

1565
01:03:30,289 --> 01:03:28,140
service from the New Jersey State Police

1566
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,299
for their part in the incident but he

1567
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:32,160
got nowhere claiming they would not

1568
01:03:37,549 --> 01:03:34,920
cooperate also attempts to locate the

1569
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:37,559
state trooper he met at gate 5 or futile

1570
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:40,319
in this run around I recall case A8 and

1571
01:03:44,569 --> 01:03:41,760
status report 3 where the police

1572
01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:44,579
Personnel involved in the 1966 Hillsdale

1573
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:46,440
Dexter Michigan encounter were

1574
01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:48,900
immediately transferred to new posts in

1575
01:03:53,329 --> 01:03:51,420
the country in the county and that all

1576
01:03:58,210 --> 01:03:53,339
records on their bladder regarding the

1577
01:04:03,770 --> 01:04:01,609
oh yeah yeah keep going keep going do it

1578
01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:03,780
yeah my search for UFO reports

1579
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:06,359
coincidental to the January 18 1978

1580
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:08,579
event mainly in the eastern part of the

1581
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:11,460
USA indicates there was no National flap

1582
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,500
and no concentration of sightings in the

1583
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,599
New Jersey area at the time I checked

1584
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:16,799
under the reports collected and

1585
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:19,020
evaluated in the international UFO

1586
01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:21,660
reporter for that time period showed

1587
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:23,880
that 82 reports according to editor Alan

1588
01:04:29,329 --> 01:04:26,339
Hendry were judged to be identifiable or

1589
01:04:31,789 --> 01:04:29,339
inappropriate however five were selected

1590
01:04:34,670 --> 01:04:31,799
for review in the March 1978 issue these

1591
01:04:39,170 --> 01:04:34,680
occurred in Toledo uh Ohio Williamston

1592
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:39,180
Key West Montvale and Peoria the only

1593
01:04:43,549 --> 01:04:40,920
case possibly akin to the Fort Dix

1594
01:04:45,710 --> 01:04:43,559
McGuire encounters the January 31 report

1595
01:04:48,349 --> 01:04:45,720
in mudvale New Jersey

1596
01:04:50,210 --> 01:04:48,359
which involved humanoids this story was

1597
01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:50,220
reported in the February 78 issue of

1598
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,440
mufan UFO journal with drawings of the

1599
01:04:58,970 --> 01:04:54,720
entities bring little resemblance to the

1600
01:05:01,130 --> 01:04:58,980
bipede described by morse it also fully

1601
01:05:03,289 --> 01:05:01,140
reported in the April 78 issue of

1602
01:05:05,390 --> 01:05:03,299
international UFO reporter

1603
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:05,400
only because the encounter happened in

1604
01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:07,380
New Jersey and within a reasonable time

1605
01:05:12,109 --> 01:05:08,760
frame

1606
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:12,119
is it of relative interest now here's

1607
01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:14,040
now can I break in with one thing real

1608
01:05:18,289 --> 01:05:16,380
quick he says it is it of relative

1609
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:18,299
interest but there's no question mark So

1610
01:05:23,329 --> 01:05:20,760
I think you meant it is of relative

1611
01:05:25,130 --> 01:05:23,339
interest okay yeah sure that's not me I

1612
01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:25,140
didn't you know that's right that's on

1613
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,260
Stringfield and and and and he's passed

1614
01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:30,000
on so he can't defend himself so but

1615
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:33,240
we're gonna go with that uh

1616
01:05:36,770 --> 01:05:35,160
is that you know it's interesting that

1617
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:36,780
he mentions that there's a similar case

1618
01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:38,940
involving humanoids but the humanoids

1619
01:05:41,870 --> 01:05:40,440
look different and that the date's

1620
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:41,880
different but it was also from New

1621
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:44,640
Jersey January 31st because again that's

1622
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,500
very similar

1623
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,720
um as we will become relevant over the

1624
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:50,640
course of the rest of this uh research

1625
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:53,640
report that's very similar to what what

1626
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:54,780
happens

1627
01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:57,000
Poss you know what happened here is

1628
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:58,619
possibly kind of like what happened with

1629
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:00,420
the woods case again the ellsworth's

1630
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:03,900
case because uh a fake story was planted

1631
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:06,720
and UFO periodical interesting that that

1632
01:06:13,370 --> 01:06:10,680
was really close but not quite squaring

1633
01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:13,380
with other people pay attention to that

1634
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:15,240
instead of what you know what really

1635
01:06:18,109 --> 01:06:16,799
could be and that's what I always kind

1636
01:06:20,210 --> 01:06:18,119
of thought Roswell was to be quite

1637
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:20,220
honest with it was a huge distraction

1638
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:23,220
effort from wherever something really

1639
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:25,200
crashed and whoever really dealt with it

1640
01:06:29,809 --> 01:06:28,020
but yeah whether that could have been

1641
01:06:31,849 --> 01:06:29,819
Aztec or whether that could be Trinity

1642
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:31,859
or or one of the other cases right

1643
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:33,839
around there yep because it's Bill Moore

1644
01:06:38,029 --> 01:06:35,460
who came out and first wrote the book on

1645
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:38,039
that bill Moore uh admitted to everybody

1646
01:06:44,329 --> 01:06:41,400
at a movement conference that he was an

1647
01:06:46,490 --> 01:06:44,339
Intel person right and yeah it was to

1648
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,500
infiltrate and so this information so

1649
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:48,079
yeah yeah

1650
01:06:57,890 --> 01:06:54,420
um would you like to keep taking it from

1651
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,900
there oh sure where were we uh the only

1652
01:07:02,450 --> 01:06:59,760
case possibly can

1653
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,460
another case occurring January 1578

1654
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,079
three days before the incident involved

1655
01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:06,480
a pilot Roger K and passengers flying in

1656
01:07:10,849 --> 01:07:08,460
a Sundowner from Evansville Indiana to

1657
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,859
Lincoln Airport in Cincinnati Ohio

1658
01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:12,960
I received the Pilot's call who got my

1659
01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:14,579
telephone number from the control tower

1660
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,380
explaining that he had a harrowing

1661
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:18,000
experience 20 miles north of Louisville

1662
01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:21,480
Kentucky at 5500 feet altitude when he

1663
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,160
observed two white lights one moving

1664
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,680
back and forth the other stationary

1665
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:27,839
watching the one object make a circle he

1666
01:07:32,809 --> 01:07:30,480
said it all of a sudden headed for The

1667
01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:32,819
Sundowner on a collision course

1668
01:07:39,049 --> 01:07:36,359
that happens almost every time in these

1669
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:39,059
pilot cases is they think they're on a

1670
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,440
collision course with the thing it's

1671
01:07:44,270 --> 01:07:42,960
crazy to escape it's bath the doe of a

1672
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,280
thousand feet and watched it pass

1673
01:07:48,289 --> 01:07:45,839
overhead and out of sight calling the

1674
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:48,299
control tower at stennifer airport in

1675
01:07:52,910 --> 01:07:51,359
Louisville he heard they had received

1676
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,920
calls from people in the area who saw

1677
01:07:57,289 --> 01:07:54,240
UFO

1678
01:08:01,069 --> 01:07:57,299
in early January 1985 my hopes to get

1679
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,079
back up UFO report to get a backup UFO

1680
01:08:05,089 --> 01:08:03,359
report were heightened won a letter from

1681
01:08:07,069 --> 01:08:05,099
Moore stated that he had traveled to

1682
01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:07,079
Baldwinsville New York to see a friend

1683
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:10,140
retired from the Air Force a former uh

1684
01:08:15,770 --> 01:08:13,260
Astro sorry Master Sergeant yeah

1685
01:08:17,150 --> 01:08:15,780
HPS who had served in the 21st Air Force

1686
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:17,160
Headquarters at McGuire in the late

1687
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:19,739
1970s Morse said that he briefly

1688
01:08:24,289 --> 01:08:21,960
mentioned the incident to HBS and

1689
01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:24,299
learned that he recalled a knight in 78

1690
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:27,179
when he when he took an urgent call from

1691
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:30,060
a c-141 pilot reporting a UFO while

1692
01:08:34,849 --> 01:08:31,980
flying it near McGuire

1693
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,859
Moore said that HPS was vaguely aware of

1694
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,020
his incident and suggested I checked

1695
01:08:42,349 --> 01:08:39,600
further giving me his address I called

1696
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,359
HPS the day I got Moore's letter HPS

1697
01:08:46,610 --> 01:08:43,920
confirmed that he got the call from the

1698
01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:46,620
pilot in 78 which he said was quickly

1699
01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:49,020
squelched but he could not pinpoint the

1700
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,660
date too long ago when I kept no records

1701
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:53,759
he said adding I don't recall a base

1702
01:08:58,189 --> 01:08:55,920
alert but the call I got from the pilot

1703
01:09:00,590 --> 01:08:58,199
could have happened the same night

1704
01:09:02,809 --> 01:09:00,600
of the other incident

1705
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:02,819
while on the phone I asked about Jeff as

1706
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:04,620
a person

1707
01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:08,400
is he sloppy is he happy does he play

1708
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:09,540
music

1709
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:11,819
he was always friendly he said I lived

1710
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:13,679
with my family on the base and he would

1711
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,359
often stop buying his patrol car and

1712
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:17,040
play with the kids

1713
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:19,980
we got to know him well HBS added that

1714
01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:22,020
he had no reason to question his honesty

1715
01:09:27,229 --> 01:09:24,600
or sincerity in my opinion had More's

1716
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,239
been a shrewd hoaxer he could have oh

1717
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:29,759
that's a tough one unveiled

1718
01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:32,940
uh-huh someone else into adding spicy

1719
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:35,400
details to the incident instead of HBS

1720
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:37,500
when all honesty

1721
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:40,380
provided little of real substance to

1722
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:43,020
support his case by my call was worth

1723
01:09:46,090 --> 01:09:44,100
the cost

1724
01:09:48,289 --> 01:09:46,100
but my call

1725
01:09:50,809 --> 01:09:48,299
that's on Stringfield that's not

1726
01:09:53,090 --> 01:09:50,819
Stringfield HBS how can we believe any

1727
01:09:55,130 --> 01:09:53,100
of this if you can't even he's got

1728
01:09:57,950 --> 01:09:55,140
two typos in here

1729
01:09:59,950 --> 01:09:57,960
HB has fudge that Morris was at McGuire

1730
01:10:02,270 --> 01:09:59,960
in 78 and that he was a likable person

1731
01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:02,280
I'll finish this and you can start at

1732
01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:03,719
three against the most significant event

1733
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:05,820
of UFO activity pinpointing the exact

1734
01:10:11,150 --> 01:10:08,820
date January 18 1978 is a report I

1735
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:11,160
received from a police officer Ron Jones

1736
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:15,120
while on duty in Ur Langer Kentucky his

1737
01:10:19,970 --> 01:10:18,000
UFO was a large lime green egg-shaped

1738
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:19,980
object flying erratically across

1739
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:22,199
Kentucky's guys other reports of a green

1740
01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:24,360
object were also reported that night in

1741
01:10:29,149 --> 01:10:26,540
Northern Kentucky and into Cincinnati

1742
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:29,159
including one coincidentally that flew

1743
01:10:34,669 --> 01:10:32,280
low over the home of the Jones family

1744
01:10:36,649 --> 01:10:34,679
causing a moment of Terror the story

1745
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:36,659
made big news on the local radio

1746
01:10:42,110 --> 01:10:39,060
stations and in the headline of the

1747
01:10:44,510 --> 01:10:42,120
Kentucky edition of the Cincinnati Post

1748
01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:44,520
a pertinence in this event is that the

1749
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:47,400
UFO was green as were those observed by

1750
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,140
Morris despite a variance in shade

1751
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:52,560
perhaps in my research green

1752
01:10:56,930 --> 01:10:54,840
is among the least common of colors in

1753
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:56,940
the Spectrum reported for UFOs

1754
01:11:02,570 --> 01:10:59,460
most often reported as white yellow

1755
01:11:05,149 --> 01:11:02,580
orange red considering that you're at

1756
01:11:08,209 --> 01:11:05,159
Langer south of Cincinnati is as the

1757
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:08,219
crow flies short hop for a UFO to New

1758
01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:10,199
Jersey the two events may be plausibly

1759
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:11,940
linked

1760
01:11:17,570 --> 01:11:14,880
three the retrieval operation

1761
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,580
all right it was maximum security said

1762
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:19,679
Morse who alone in this patrol car

1763
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:22,140
received word by radio that a state of

1764
01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:24,540
alert was an effect at McGuire as a

1765
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:27,060
result of the shooting incident He was

1766
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,860
ordered to gate number five to answer

1767
01:11:33,410 --> 01:11:30,960
the request of a state police officer

1768
01:11:35,570 --> 01:11:33,420
who had been running code with the MP

1769
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,580
during his encounter at Fort Dix and

1770
01:11:40,430 --> 01:11:38,159
wanted admission to the air base Morse

1771
01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:40,440
was ordered to comply but when the

1772
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:42,060
trooper wanted to get closer to the

1773
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,100
runway he was told that all Personnel

1774
01:11:49,370 --> 01:11:46,800
including he and other members of this

1775
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,380
his Security Police Unit were restricted

1776
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:52,080
from entry into the roped off zone so

1777
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:54,120
the security police unit was restricted

1778
01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:55,980
from entry into that rope.com that's

1779
01:12:01,610 --> 01:11:58,980
interesting right now taking command was

1780
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:01,620
a new and unfamiliar team of blue Berets

1781
01:12:06,290 --> 01:12:03,960
that suddenly descended onto the scene

1782
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:06,300
just moments after the runway had been

1783
01:12:11,630 --> 01:12:09,060
cordoned off with speed and efficiency

1784
01:12:13,610 --> 01:12:11,640
they took over he said and when asked

1785
01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:13,620
who they were we were told nothing and

1786
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:15,780
ordered to stay outside the ropes

1787
01:12:20,270 --> 01:12:18,360
perplexed by this covert action he noted

1788
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,280
that all of them were staff sergeants

1789
01:12:25,550 --> 01:12:22,860
and up wearing fatigues without patches

1790
01:12:28,610 --> 01:12:25,560
or Insignia and for headgear he said

1791
01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:28,620
they wore blue Berets just like mine

1792
01:12:32,990 --> 01:12:30,840
in one letter Morse vaguely speculated

1793
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:33,000
they were undercover cops and by phone

1794
01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:34,860
he said he felt certain they were

1795
01:12:38,990 --> 01:12:36,900
stationed somewhere at McGuire to

1796
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:39,000
account for their quick deployment to

1797
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:40,020
the runway

1798
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:41,940
in support of this when asked if

1799
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:44,400
helicopters were seen or heard overhead

1800
01:12:49,310 --> 01:12:46,920
or landed on or near the scene his reply

1801
01:12:50,689 --> 01:12:49,320
was negative this it seems would rule

1802
01:12:53,390 --> 01:12:50,699
out any notion that they had been

1803
01:12:55,729 --> 01:12:53,400
transported from an outside base it also

1804
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,739
strengthened his belief and mind that a

1805
01:13:00,169 --> 01:12:58,080
UFO had not crashed or been disabled

1806
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,179
nearby requiring close Tactical Air

1807
01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:02,880
support but what if a landed craft

1808
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:05,100
perhaps one that touch landed earlier at

1809
01:13:09,649 --> 01:13:07,800
Fort Dix could it have deployed one or

1810
01:13:12,169 --> 01:13:09,659
more of its kind to perform a duty

1811
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:12,179
forever unknown add one or both of the

1812
01:13:16,610 --> 01:13:14,760
adjoining military installations the

1813
01:13:18,649 --> 01:13:16,620
book clear intent by Lawrence Fawcett

1814
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:18,659
and Barry Greenwood relates many reports

1815
01:13:25,130 --> 01:13:21,480
of UFO surveillance over air bases in

1816
01:13:28,010 --> 01:13:25,140
1975 to 1976 and I have no of many more

1817
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:28,020
hidden under the lid of secrecy now of

1818
01:13:31,790 --> 01:13:29,820
course we know that you know in

1819
01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:31,800
relevance to possible upcoming

1820
01:13:36,050 --> 01:13:34,500
Congressional hearings situations like

1821
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,060
this did come up in the last

1822
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:39,120
Congressional hearing of of UFOs ufps

1823
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:42,420
monitoring during a nuclear bases and

1824
01:13:46,850 --> 01:13:44,940
military installations right so so this

1825
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:46,860
is is this is interesting because this

1826
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:48,900
you know here we are over 40 years ago

1827
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,860
and we're and back then you know Lynn

1828
01:13:56,330 --> 01:13:54,719
Stringfield had some cases that he knew

1829
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,340
of but he was kind of one of the first

1830
01:14:00,649 --> 01:13:58,080
people that was that was really putting

1831
01:14:03,169 --> 01:14:00,659
this across in a serious way with regard

1832
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,179
and connecting it with the possibility

1833
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:05,760
of crash retrievals right interesting

1834
01:14:12,110 --> 01:14:09,360
yeah so at McGuire once the sensitive

1835
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:12,120
area had been roped off and ECP entry

1836
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:14,340
control Point established a generator

1837
01:14:18,590 --> 01:14:16,140
unit was brought in for better lighting

1838
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:18,600
at least a dozen men said Morris armed

1839
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,000
with M16s were assigned to guard at the

1840
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,560
ropes and no one was allowed to enter

1841
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:24,719
except the base commander the Security

1842
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:27,239
Police Squadron Commander first

1843
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:29,280
lieutenant WS of the Security Police

1844
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,340
Squadron and a base photographer that's

1845
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,320
interesting as well where are those

1846
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:37,199
photos right while on patrol Morse

1847
01:14:40,970 --> 01:14:38,880
watched the blue Beret specialist spray

1848
01:14:43,550 --> 01:14:40,980
the corpse from a portable tank now for

1849
01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:43,560
those of you joining late this is this

1850
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:47,460
sounds a lot like a deceased uh gray uh

1851
01:14:51,290 --> 01:14:49,679
being like a non-human intelligence that

1852
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:51,300
most people would refer to as a gray

1853
01:14:57,169 --> 01:14:52,560
alien

1854
01:14:59,689 --> 01:14:57,179
but like the description does sound

1855
01:15:01,729 --> 01:14:59,699
pretty close to one right uh the blue

1856
01:15:04,189 --> 01:15:01,739
Beret Specialists spray the corpse from

1857
01:15:07,010 --> 01:15:04,199
a portable tank and cover it with a

1858
01:15:09,169 --> 01:15:07,020
white sheet before Daybreak the body was

1859
01:15:11,330 --> 01:15:09,179
carefully placed onto a platform and a

1860
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:11,340
wooden frame built around it this was

1861
01:15:15,290 --> 01:15:12,960
finally placed into a large Square

1862
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:15,300
several silver silver metal container

1863
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:17,219
about 10 by 10 feet was

1864
01:15:22,729 --> 01:15:20,400
undistinguishable blue markings before

1865
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:22,739
going off duty Morse and others watched

1866
01:15:28,910 --> 01:15:25,560
the silver box for forklifted into a

1867
01:15:30,649 --> 01:15:28,920
c-141 which arrived about 7 am from

1868
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,659
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base

1869
01:15:35,570 --> 01:15:33,600
identified by special markings and later

1870
01:15:38,030 --> 01:15:35,580
at a distance he said he watched the

1871
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,040
plane and its secret cargo soar Aloft

1872
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:41,280
into limbo presumed destination Dayton

1873
01:15:46,189 --> 01:15:44,280
Ohio meaning back to right Patterson

1874
01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:46,199
for sergeant Morse and others of the

1875
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:48,420
blue Beret regulars at McGuire it was

1876
01:15:52,250 --> 01:15:51,120
far from over when the c-141 with corpse

1877
01:15:54,169 --> 01:15:52,260
took off

1878
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:54,179
two days later he and three others he

1879
01:16:00,649 --> 01:15:57,840
named were also on a C4 c-141 on orders

1880
01:16:03,169 --> 01:16:00,659
to report to what Wright-Patterson the

1881
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:03,179
base of many sancta the setting at

1882
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:05,100
Wright-Patterson was like that of a

1883
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:07,620
court-martial a table and chairs in an

1884
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:10,080
unadorned room which Morse described as

1885
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:12,960
follows while there while there we were

1886
01:16:18,590 --> 01:16:15,239
all together except for actual

1887
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:18,600
interrogations mine had two men one

1888
01:16:23,209 --> 01:16:20,460
apparently a civilian with pipe and

1889
01:16:26,110 --> 01:16:23,219
beard who never spoke now we've heard

1890
01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:26,120
this in many many other cases like this

1891
01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:29,400
including in the Mario Woods case where

1892
01:16:32,270 --> 01:16:30,840
there would be somebody kind of poking

1893
01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:32,280
around in the back who's never

1894
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:34,020
identified never speaks and it's just

1895
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:35,520
kind of like quietly assessing the

1896
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:37,020
situation while watching the other

1897
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:39,420
interrogators so this also squares very

1898
01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:41,940
well with what at that time was a very

1899
01:16:46,130 --> 01:16:44,040
secretive and confidential policy for

1900
01:16:49,610 --> 01:16:46,140
how

1901
01:16:51,950 --> 01:16:49,620
just also chairman and the blue Beret

1902
01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:51,960
um apparently the blue Beret is unique

1903
01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:53,580
to the men and women who serve as

1904
01:16:58,130 --> 01:16:56,040
members of an elite group at the U.S Air

1905
01:17:00,110 --> 01:16:58,140
Force Security Forces

1906
01:17:02,030 --> 01:17:00,120
the Beret represents the history of the

1907
01:17:04,610 --> 01:17:02,040
United States Air Force Security forces

1908
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:04,620
in a legacy of commitment and sacrifice

1909
01:17:09,890 --> 01:17:08,159
to our nation and people okay

1910
01:17:11,390 --> 01:17:09,900
yep

1911
01:17:13,729 --> 01:17:11,400
so

1912
01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:13,739
um at one point there were three men one

1913
01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:16,260
played nice guy one mean guy and of

1914
01:17:20,450 --> 01:17:18,840
course the silent Civilian All they

1915
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,460
wanted to know was the nature of the

1916
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:22,560
incident what I knew and then told me

1917
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,199
about my duty to keep my mouth shut I

1918
01:17:28,850 --> 01:17:27,360
signed a form and it is supposed to bind

1919
01:17:31,729 --> 01:17:28,860
me for life

1920
01:17:34,010 --> 01:17:31,739
never once as Morse recalls did any of

1921
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:34,020
the interrogators offer information or

1922
01:17:38,450 --> 01:17:36,540
an explanation of the incident nor did

1923
01:17:40,669 --> 01:17:38,460
anyone ever refer to the retrieved dead

1924
01:17:43,550 --> 01:17:40,679
body or suggest that it may have been of

1925
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:43,560
extraterrestrial origin said Morse they

1926
01:17:47,450 --> 01:17:45,960
beat around the bush all references to

1927
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:47,460
it were indirect

1928
01:17:52,729 --> 01:17:49,980
the day after the interrogation Morse

1929
01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:52,739
returned to McGuire and was debriefed by

1930
01:17:56,750 --> 01:17:54,300
his commanding officer Lieutenant

1931
01:17:59,149 --> 01:17:56,760
Colonel FM and released for normal Duty

1932
01:18:01,130 --> 01:17:59,159
the incident he said was not discussed

1933
01:18:03,709 --> 01:18:01,140
Again by anyone as though it never

1934
01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:03,719
happened the names of the officers at

1935
01:18:08,450 --> 01:18:05,699
Wright-Patterson including a brigadier

1936
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:08,460
general which Morse had had confirmed by

1937
01:18:12,290 --> 01:18:10,620
a source still in the military have been

1938
01:18:15,229 --> 01:18:12,300
known to me since our first telephone

1939
01:18:18,169 --> 01:18:15,239
chat although I agreed not to publish

1940
01:18:20,270 --> 01:18:18,179
these names in respect to security I did

1941
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:20,280
insist that they be authenticated and by

1942
01:18:24,410 --> 01:18:22,020
someone other than myself to lend

1943
01:18:26,810 --> 01:18:24,420
Credence to the case with permission I

1944
01:18:29,149 --> 01:18:26,820
gave their names to Richard Hall who had

1945
01:18:30,290 --> 01:18:29,159
access to such records at the Library of

1946
01:18:32,209 --> 01:18:30,300
Congress

1947
01:18:34,669 --> 01:18:32,219
for the most part his time and effort

1948
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:34,679
were not in vain although the Air Force

1949
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,920
registered for 1978 was off the shelf he

1950
01:18:42,649 --> 01:18:40,080
said he was able to find in the 1979

1951
01:18:45,649 --> 01:18:42,659
Edition a status entry for each officer

1952
01:18:47,630 --> 01:18:45,659
except one a colonel B who Morse had

1953
01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:47,640
said played the bad guy

1954
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:49,980
Howe speculated that Colonel B may have

1955
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:52,860
been with the CIA but according to Morse

1956
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,540
all the officers including the

1957
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,640
questionable Colonel were in civilian

1958
01:19:00,890 --> 01:18:59,280
clothes and each was identified with a

1959
01:19:02,149 --> 01:19:00,900
nameplate showing his rank in

1960
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,159
parentheses

1961
01:19:06,350 --> 01:19:04,560
whatever the kernels role we are left to

1962
01:19:09,229 --> 01:19:06,360
conclude that the silent bearded man

1963
01:19:11,209 --> 01:19:09,239
with a pipe who according to Morse was

1964
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,219
without a nameplate may have been with

1965
01:19:16,669 --> 01:19:14,400
the CIA or another covert an agency to

1966
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:16,679
stem any suspicion I had Morse check a

1967
01:19:21,530 --> 01:19:19,260
picture of Dr jail and heineck well

1968
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,540
known for a pipe and beard his comment

1969
01:19:27,290 --> 01:19:24,000
some similarities but my man was about

1970
01:19:28,850 --> 01:19:27,300
50 and his beard was flat not a goatee I

1971
01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:28,860
don't think it was heinek

1972
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,080
for the record the officers at McGuire

1973
01:19:35,149 --> 01:19:33,600
were also checked out all were also

1974
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,159
checked out and confirmed but

1975
01:19:39,229 --> 01:19:37,440
unfortunately as Hall explained the

1976
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:39,239
assignments for the time and place of

1977
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:41,219
the Wright-Patterson officers were not

1978
01:19:45,050 --> 01:19:42,960
obtainable in their Air Force register

1979
01:19:48,530 --> 01:19:45,060
or in any other immediately available

1980
01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:48,540
record also disappointing there was no

1981
01:19:52,189 --> 01:19:50,520
direct way to check on the enlisted men

1982
01:19:54,410 --> 01:19:52,199
named in the incident complaint report

1983
01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:54,420
without having the identification of a

1984
01:19:57,890 --> 01:19:56,940
social security or military serial

1985
01:19:59,390 --> 01:19:57,900
number

1986
01:20:01,570 --> 01:19:59,400
do you want to take over for

1987
01:20:03,709 --> 01:20:01,580
surveillance or should I surveillance

1988
01:20:05,390 --> 01:20:03,719
Morris believes that his problem of

1989
01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:05,400
living under the burden of surveillance

1990
01:20:09,709 --> 01:20:07,560
began with his first letter to me from

1991
01:20:11,930 --> 01:20:09,719
overseas if we can assume for a moment

1992
01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:11,940
that Morris's story is true then we can

1993
01:20:16,850 --> 01:20:13,980
also assume that such UFO related

1994
01:20:19,310 --> 01:20:16,860
military incidents are safeguarded by

1995
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:19,320
any means necessary to maintain

1996
01:20:24,890 --> 01:20:22,560
Optimum secrecy thus more being a risk

1997
01:20:26,570 --> 01:20:24,900
had his male monitored needless to say

1998
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:26,580
at this point when his breach of

1999
01:20:30,410 --> 01:20:28,560
security was discovered as male and

2000
01:20:32,930 --> 01:20:30,420
perhaps mine in 1980

2001
01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:32,940
suffered interference which led to his

2002
01:20:38,110 --> 01:20:35,940
having visitors with warnings

2003
01:20:40,189 --> 01:20:38,120
an example of bugging Morris

2004
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:40,199
psychologically and or electronically

2005
01:20:46,450 --> 01:20:43,380
occurred January 1284 when I called him

2006
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:46,460
and got only yes and no to my questions

2007
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,560
and his letter written the same day to

2008
01:20:53,810 --> 01:20:51,360
explain his evasiveness he said sorry

2009
01:20:55,550 --> 01:20:53,820
for waiting so long on reply to your

2010
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,560
letter if there was a government car on

2011
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,840
the street the day I got it I don't

2012
01:21:02,209 --> 01:20:59,280
think it's related but I don't want to

2013
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:02,219
take any chances I don't know if its

2014
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:05,280
surveillance is relaxed anymore or if it

2015
01:21:09,229 --> 01:21:06,719
ever was

2016
01:21:10,850 --> 01:21:09,239
I must also mention that we had much

2017
01:21:13,010 --> 01:21:10,860
trouble with our phone in the past two

2018
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:13,020
weeks and several different repairmen

2019
01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:14,820
have corrected the same problems each

2020
01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:15,719
time

2021
01:21:19,729 --> 01:21:17,880
that is why I hesitated to speak to you

2022
01:21:22,189 --> 01:21:19,739
today on the phone

2023
01:21:24,290 --> 01:21:22,199
it is no wonder if that Morris may have

2024
01:21:27,410 --> 01:21:24,300
had some second thoughts about reaching

2025
01:21:29,090 --> 01:21:27,420
me until 83 but his Affairs were not to

2026
01:21:31,729 --> 01:21:29,100
get better

2027
01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:31,739
in early 84 I had expressed my desire

2028
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,900
again to visit Moors but this Overture

2029
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:35,760
fell short when he announced in March

2030
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:38,280
that he planned a visit to the West

2031
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,800
Coast while there he said he hoped to

2032
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:42,480
see someone who might provide the backup

2033
01:21:47,810 --> 01:21:45,360
information I needed seven months passes

2034
01:21:50,510 --> 01:21:47,820
again in silence

2035
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:50,520
finally on October 4 84 he answered my

2036
01:21:55,250 --> 01:21:52,500
letter from September 4th saying briefly

2037
01:21:57,050 --> 01:21:55,260
that he had a new problem this time

2038
01:21:58,669 --> 01:21:57,060
related to his application for a

2039
01:22:00,350 --> 01:21:58,679
position in law enforcement with a

2040
01:22:02,930 --> 01:22:00,360
government service

2041
01:22:04,189 --> 01:22:02,940
uh commented Morris in part the

2042
01:22:05,870 --> 01:22:04,199
government has given me a hard time

2043
01:22:08,930 --> 01:22:05,880
first they wouldn't let me have the job

2044
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,940
I took them to Federal appeals court and

2045
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,040
they were ordered to hire me they're

2046
01:22:15,290 --> 01:22:13,440
appealing the decision I guess we know

2047
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,300
why this is happening

2048
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:18,239
later by phone in December I was first

2049
01:22:21,530 --> 01:22:19,980
to learn that Morris had received a call

2050
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,540
from an attorney in the Justice

2051
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,280
Department who stated during their

2052
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:24,960
discussion on morse's employment your

2053
01:22:28,189 --> 01:22:27,120
acquaintance with Mr Stringfield didn't

2054
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:28,199
help

2055
01:22:33,169 --> 01:22:31,380
then by letter December 31 84 Morris

2056
01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:33,179
wrote I was approached by a person

2057
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,699
wearing a black suit in my parking lot

2058
01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:38,400
who mentioned things may go my way if I

2059
01:22:42,410 --> 01:22:39,960
denied this incident

2060
01:22:44,510 --> 01:22:42,420
I just received notice by registered

2061
01:22:47,209 --> 01:22:44,520
mail that the Department of Justice has

2062
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,219
decided to make me eligible for hire I

2063
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:49,440
feel these things these two things are

2064
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:50,460
related

2065
01:22:56,270 --> 01:22:53,820
Now isn't it interesting that that also

2066
01:22:59,209 --> 01:22:56,280
squares with the Ellsworth Air Force

2067
01:23:01,370 --> 01:22:59,219
Base case with Mario Woods you know he

2068
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:01,380
he was proceeded to be able to get a job

2069
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:02,880
in the department of energy as a

2070
01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:05,520
security officer and other positions

2071
01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:07,980
um after didn't after being told to like

2072
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:09,719
completely act as if the incident didn't

2073
01:23:15,709 --> 01:23:12,960
happen which he did right but but even

2074
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:15,719
more on the nose is look at look at what

2075
01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:18,000
we're about to to dive into here with

2076
01:23:23,570 --> 01:23:20,340
Leonard Stringfield it's the cover-up

2077
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:23,580
version of the Ellsworth case

2078
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:26,159
how fascinating is that yeah do you want

2079
01:23:29,209 --> 01:23:27,600
to do you want to take that on or should

2080
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:29,219
it do you want do you want me to pick up

2081
01:23:33,290 --> 01:23:31,860
or do you want it okay yeah uh analogy

2082
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:33,300
the Ellsworth case

2083
01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:35,340
in a James Bond movie we can all

2084
01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:37,980
recognize James Bond but in UFO research

2085
01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:40,260
we cannot always identify the real bond

2086
01:23:44,930 --> 01:23:42,600
from a bogus Bond what a great way to

2087
01:23:47,330 --> 01:23:44,940
start this one right uh for certain

2088
01:23:49,550 --> 01:23:47,340
however Intrigue is highly visible in

2089
01:23:51,410 --> 01:23:49,560
bond of fiction and in some areas of UFO

2090
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:51,420
research especially in the sensitive

2091
01:23:56,330 --> 01:23:54,060
area of crash retrievals

2092
01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:56,340
while morse's disclosures may seem

2093
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:58,500
fictitious there is one parallel case of

2094
01:24:02,510 --> 01:24:00,060
violence that probably is just that

2095
01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:02,520
fictitious and it deserves a hearing in

2096
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,780
this report

2097
01:24:08,270 --> 01:24:06,239
this one is known as the Ellsworth case

2098
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:08,280
because the missile site where it

2099
01:24:11,870 --> 01:24:10,020
allegedly occurred is under the command

2100
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:11,880
of Ellsworth Air Force base near Rapid

2101
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:14,159
City South Dakota

2102
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:16,080
The Story begins with an unsigned note

2103
01:24:21,470 --> 01:24:17,640
directed to the National Enquirer

2104
01:24:22,850 --> 01:24:21,480
January 2978. it reads in part as

2105
01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:22,860
follows

2106
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:24,840
the incident stated in the attached

2107
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,060
report actually occurred see when you

2108
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:28,560
have to say that it definitely didn't

2109
01:24:35,090 --> 01:24:31,920
occur yeah it actually occurred versus

2110
01:24:39,169 --> 01:24:35,100
what like occurred but not actually I

2111
01:24:41,450 --> 01:24:39,179
swear my girlfriend is real yeah uh I

2112
01:24:43,729 --> 01:24:41,460
promise I won't lie to you uh the air

2113
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:43,739
the Air Force appointed a special team

2114
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,080
to investigate the incident I was one of

2115
01:24:50,689 --> 01:24:48,480
those individuals I'm still on active

2116
01:24:52,970 --> 01:24:50,699
duty and so I cannot State my name at

2117
01:24:56,330 --> 01:24:52,980
this time the incident occurred on 16

2118
01:25:00,290 --> 01:24:56,340
November 77 was classified top secret to

2119
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:00,300
December 77. at that time I obtained a

2120
01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:05,630
Inquirer Robert Pratt a knowledgeable

2121
01:25:10,490 --> 01:25:07,860
ufologist and a team of fellow reporters

2122
01:25:12,010 --> 01:25:10,500
first thought it was a hoax

2123
01:25:14,209 --> 01:25:12,020
excuse me

2124
01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:14,219
however when they made a number of calls

2125
01:25:18,530 --> 01:25:16,440
to Ellsworth and Rapid City to find that

2126
01:25:20,330 --> 01:25:18,540
the men named in the report existed they

2127
01:25:22,669 --> 01:25:20,340
decided to fly to the site for a

2128
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:22,679
first-hand investigation the case that

2129
01:25:26,090 --> 01:25:24,840
quickly collapsed by the time they

2130
01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:26,100
finished their interviews with all

2131
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:28,020
concerned in the report with the help of

2132
01:25:31,490 --> 01:25:29,760
Ellsworth information officer and

2133
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:31,500
checked on each person's story they were

2134
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,179
convinced that the incident was a hoax

2135
01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:35,280
never published it in The Inquirer the

2136
01:25:39,410 --> 01:25:37,080
story was scrapped until it was received

2137
01:25:41,689 --> 01:25:39,420
by some UFO Enthusiast circulating

2138
01:25:43,729 --> 01:25:41,699
rumors that it was true and cleverly

2139
01:25:46,250 --> 01:25:43,739
covered up

2140
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:46,260
to put it to rest prep during his tenor

2141
01:25:52,010 --> 01:25:48,420
as editor of mufon UFO Journal published

2142
01:25:53,630 --> 01:25:52,020
his anatomy of a hoax in the January 84

2143
01:25:56,030 --> 01:25:53,640
issue

2144
01:25:58,430 --> 01:25:56,040
the elseworth case although its incident

2145
01:26:01,250 --> 01:25:58,440
complaint report predates for Dick's

2146
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:01,260
McGuire encounter differs appreciably in

2147
01:26:05,810 --> 01:26:03,300
that its source was so slip shot and

2148
01:26:07,129 --> 01:26:05,820
handling of easily checkable facts about

2149
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:07,139
the personnel

2150
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,840
says Pratt and his expose we found more

2151
01:26:13,970 --> 01:26:11,760
than 20 discrepancies or heirs in the

2152
01:26:16,490 --> 01:26:13,980
report wrong names numbers occupations

2153
01:26:18,050 --> 01:26:16,500
physical layouts and so on it would be

2154
01:26:20,090 --> 01:26:18,060
easy to say the Air Force falsified

2155
01:26:21,530 --> 01:26:20,100
numerous documents muzzled everyone on

2156
01:26:24,350 --> 01:26:21,540
the base published Stephanie High School

2157
01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:24,360
yearbook but that is highly unlikely we

2158
01:26:28,910 --> 01:26:26,100
spent a total of 44 mandates

2159
01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:28,920
investigating this at a cost of more

2160
01:26:33,470 --> 01:26:31,500
than fifteen thousand dollars we had no

2161
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,480
doubt that the incident in the so-called

2162
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:35,760
report never occurred

2163
01:26:40,129 --> 01:26:38,219
Morse who had survived all of his

2164
01:26:41,390 --> 01:26:40,139
ordeals since his story was published in

2165
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:41,400
status three

2166
01:26:46,189 --> 01:26:44,040
remains openly agreeable to the

2167
01:26:48,110 --> 01:26:46,199
investigation of his case cooperatively

2168
01:26:50,209 --> 01:26:48,120
he did not question my challenge to have

2169
01:26:52,010 --> 01:26:50,219
the officers names at right pet or the

2170
01:26:53,629 --> 01:26:52,020
Personnel at McGuire checked out and

2171
01:26:56,689 --> 01:26:53,639
welcomed the chance to meet and be

2172
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,699
interviewed on all issues by one of my

2173
01:27:01,129 --> 01:26:59,040
more critical colleagues Richard Hall

2174
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,139
for the record Morse was made fully

2175
01:27:05,629 --> 01:27:03,600
aware of the Ellsworth case with a Xerox

2176
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:05,639
copy sent to him for appraisal he

2177
01:27:10,129 --> 01:27:07,440
replied that the terminology used was

2178
01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:10,139
pretty accurate noting the form you see

2179
01:27:14,330 --> 01:27:12,600
is probably a back office copy it could

2180
01:27:15,950 --> 01:27:14,340
have been Rewritten

2181
01:27:17,930 --> 01:27:15,960
in a later comment he said without

2182
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:17,940
firsthand information the case doesn't

2183
01:27:21,050 --> 01:27:20,040
mean much in short what Morse is saying

2184
01:27:22,729 --> 01:27:21,060
was

2185
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:22,739
where's the source

2186
01:27:29,629 --> 01:27:25,920
uh probably Richard Dottie so yeah yeah

2187
01:27:33,169 --> 01:27:29,639
exactly yeah exactly I mean we know that

2188
01:27:35,930 --> 01:27:33,179
that that he was partially responsible

2189
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:35,940
for both we know that he was at least

2190
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:39,420
was at the interrogation of Mario Woods

2191
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:41,940
according to woods and then that that

2192
01:27:46,129 --> 01:27:44,460
was actually confirmed by Richard two

2193
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:46,139
Woods

2194
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:48,540
um very recently uh

2195
01:27:53,390 --> 01:27:51,360
um you know just a few months ago and of

2196
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:53,400
course and so you know this is a

2197
01:27:56,330 --> 01:27:55,020
fascinating case we'll finish we'll

2198
01:27:58,990 --> 01:27:56,340
finish out the rest of it because we're

2199
01:28:01,729 --> 01:27:59,000
we're already like 90 done with it was

2200
01:28:03,770 --> 01:28:01,739
reading this case but it's fascinating

2201
01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:03,780
to see you know Leonard Stringfield was

2202
01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:05,940
really trying to do his best to take

2203
01:28:10,669 --> 01:28:07,800
this case that he saw here and compare

2204
01:28:13,850 --> 01:28:10,679
it to the the case that it was most like

2205
01:28:16,850 --> 01:28:13,860
which was the elf elsewhere's Air Force

2206
01:28:19,250 --> 01:28:16,860
Base case which you know you know

2207
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:19,260
according to many including Mario Woods

2208
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,320
did happen and I believe him I believe

2209
01:28:28,189 --> 01:28:24,960
Mario Goods he's an incredible he's an

2210
01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:28,199
incredible witness right yeah and and

2211
01:28:35,090 --> 01:28:31,860
then you know and then it got this crazy

2212
01:28:36,770 --> 01:28:35,100
cover story and you know it was it was

2213
01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:36,780
there was this cover story that was

2214
01:28:41,930 --> 01:28:39,780
written up with different names and like

2215
01:28:45,050 --> 01:28:41,940
a shot being instead of what happened to

2216
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,060
Mario woods and and and his fellow

2217
01:28:49,790 --> 01:28:47,520
officer which is what their their their

2218
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:49,800
their their their vehicle got picked up

2219
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:51,840
and disappeared after this like huge

2220
01:28:56,330 --> 01:28:54,719
Mothership sized like flaming orb

2221
01:28:59,330 --> 01:28:56,340
um was kind of like tracking the area

2222
01:29:01,310 --> 01:28:59,340
and then they got you know Mario would

2223
01:29:04,189 --> 01:29:01,320
saw beings they got moved to like

2224
01:29:06,590 --> 01:29:04,199
several miles away I mean and that that

2225
01:29:07,610 --> 01:29:06,600
you know squares more with what we know

2226
01:29:19,070 --> 01:29:07,620
of

2227
01:29:20,689 --> 01:29:19,080
seeing some beings and having totally

2228
01:29:22,189 --> 01:29:20,699
time experience but it gets your

2229
01:29:24,410 --> 01:29:22,199
attention right it does a couple things

2230
01:29:26,450 --> 01:29:24,420
first it gets your attention and the

2231
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:26,460
second thing is is

2232
01:29:32,570 --> 01:29:30,239
um it uh instills The Fear Factor that's

2233
01:29:34,610 --> 01:29:32,580
right that's right there's a couple of

2234
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:34,620
things there which are interesting

2235
01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:36,480
um and not to get too much into it but I

2236
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,340
mean the Air Force has always stated for

2237
01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:40,320
a long long time that these things are

2238
01:29:44,330 --> 01:29:42,540
not a threat to National Security but

2239
01:29:47,930 --> 01:29:44,340
yet it keeps coming up to where these

2240
01:29:50,450 --> 01:29:47,940
kind of Are UFOs and such are kind of uh

2241
01:29:52,610 --> 01:29:50,460
talked about in the same Circle so much

2242
01:29:55,970 --> 01:29:52,620
I guess you could say as the word threat

2243
01:29:58,250 --> 01:29:55,980
so it's it's interesting that's oh

2244
01:30:01,010 --> 01:29:58,260
absolutely no you're right and and like

2245
01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:01,020
like this guy Jeffrey Morris like we get

2246
01:30:06,350 --> 01:30:03,480
time and time again like Mario Woods

2247
01:30:08,750 --> 01:30:06,360
that's you know the stated sometimes

2248
01:30:10,490 --> 01:30:08,760
unstated but very often stated you know

2249
01:30:12,530 --> 01:30:10,500
they get interrogated several times

2250
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:12,540
debrief they get moved like halfway

2251
01:30:17,689 --> 01:30:15,120
across the world sometimes far away from

2252
01:30:20,270 --> 01:30:17,699
their loved ones and told like if they

2253
01:30:22,010 --> 01:30:20,280
want to continue in their career

2254
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:22,020
um they just have to you know shut the f

2255
01:30:27,229 --> 01:30:25,440
up right and and after they're debriefed

2256
01:30:29,330 --> 01:30:27,239
and sometimes even in the interrogations

2257
01:30:31,490 --> 01:30:29,340
like this one like Jeff Morse was

2258
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:31,500
reporting though only refer to the

2259
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:34,560
incident indirectly and even that Mario

2260
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:36,360
Woods was saying when when we

2261
01:30:40,669 --> 01:30:38,400
interviewed him he was saying like that

2262
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,679
even seemed like a tactic like he was

2263
01:30:43,970 --> 01:30:42,480
being tested on whether he was going to

2264
01:30:47,930 --> 01:30:43,980
talk about something that shouldn't have

2265
01:30:50,030 --> 01:30:47,940
happened right totally totally yeah so

2266
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,040
here we go uh to finish this out so

2267
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:52,320
Jeffrey Morse the person in the

2268
01:30:56,290 --> 01:30:54,480
Ellsworth case the informant who never

2269
01:31:00,350 --> 01:30:56,300
surfaced

2270
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,360
until he did oh

2271
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:02,960
was remiss with facts in his incident

2272
01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:05,520
complaint report now again you know

2273
01:31:11,209 --> 01:31:07,620
Leonard Stringfield is referencing the

2274
01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:11,219
cover story for for the Ellsworth case

2275
01:31:15,709 --> 01:31:14,040
in the Fort Dix McGuire case however its

2276
01:31:17,810 --> 01:31:15,719
Bedrock of strengths is not wholly

2277
01:31:19,370 --> 01:31:17,820
reliant on the report which was obtained

2278
01:31:21,530 --> 01:31:19,380
for him by another source in his

2279
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:21,540
Squadron it is Jeffrey Morse himself

2280
01:31:26,090 --> 01:31:24,480
which is good it is the it is Morse who

2281
01:31:27,890 --> 01:31:26,100
once wrote to me the public should know

2282
01:31:29,870 --> 01:31:27,900
the truth through many letters and

2283
01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:29,880
mostly by phone I got to know Morse as

2284
01:31:34,669 --> 01:31:32,280
amiable bright and alert and inclined

2285
01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:34,679
towards reticence never resorting to

2286
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:36,840
glib Idol chatter like the two of us

2287
01:31:41,209 --> 01:31:39,360
when questioned on critical or touchy

2288
01:31:43,550 --> 01:31:41,219
issues he was trigger quick to respond

2289
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:43,560
in convincing detail but in the main he

2290
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:45,600
always spoke guardedly revealing little

2291
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:47,400
personal emotion over his dramatic

2292
01:31:51,950 --> 01:31:49,920
experiences sometimes I felt that behind

2293
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:51,960
the stoic reserve and his admission that

2294
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:53,820
he didn't have answers to many of my

2295
01:31:59,330 --> 01:31:55,920
questions he may have known more than he

2296
01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:59,340
was saying above all however Morse never

2297
01:32:03,709 --> 01:32:01,320
once contradicted himself with the

2298
01:32:06,410 --> 01:32:03,719
information he chose to offer

2299
01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:06,420
from experience I know all well I knew

2300
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:08,100
all along that my one-to-one contact

2301
01:32:13,070 --> 01:32:10,320
with my key Source who would remain

2302
01:32:15,770 --> 01:32:13,080
anonymous to research was not sufficient

2303
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,780
I also knew for good reasons that my

2304
01:32:20,030 --> 01:32:17,760
time to get a second witness was an

2305
01:32:21,830 --> 01:32:20,040
objective appraisal was running out

2306
01:32:23,870 --> 01:32:21,840
foremost in my mind was the deal

2307
01:32:26,149 --> 01:32:23,880
proposed by Morris by a stranger in a

2308
01:32:28,189 --> 01:32:26,159
parking lot which if affected could

2309
01:32:31,010 --> 01:32:28,199
possibly stall or even prevent any

2310
01:32:33,229 --> 01:32:31,020
further contact also having selected

2311
01:32:35,689 --> 01:32:33,239
case A3 as my topic for the mufon

2312
01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:35,699
Symposium in St Louis I had no time to

2313
01:32:40,729 --> 01:32:38,280
spare my deadline for final copy was

2314
01:32:43,370 --> 01:32:40,739
March 1st phone calls brought quick

2315
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:43,380
results Morrison Hall met January 13

2316
01:32:49,370 --> 01:32:47,760
1985 at a mall near Washington DC

2317
01:32:51,229 --> 01:32:49,380
um Hall was finesse and the role of

2318
01:32:52,610 --> 01:32:51,239
Playing devil's advocate agreed that the

2319
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:52,620
character of Morse was of Greater

2320
01:32:57,229 --> 01:32:54,480
importance than rehashing the details of

2321
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:57,239
the incident in this manner all watched

2322
01:33:02,510 --> 01:32:59,280
and listened following our comments from

2323
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:02,520
his letter on January 13th 1985.

2324
01:33:07,250 --> 01:33:05,520
from Hall I did not pursue any hard line

2325
01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:07,260
of questioning mainly wanting to gain

2326
01:33:11,330 --> 01:33:09,060
his confidence and form some impression

2327
01:33:13,070 --> 01:33:11,340
of his credibility I broke the ice by

2328
01:33:14,450 --> 01:33:13,080
showing him the type list of name checks

2329
01:33:16,850 --> 01:33:14,460
which we discussed for a while and he

2330
01:33:19,490 --> 01:33:16,860
spoke easily after that personally A3

2331
01:33:21,770 --> 01:33:19,500
was well groomed friendly relaxed calm

2332
01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:21,780
articulate he spoke confidently and

2333
01:33:25,729 --> 01:33:23,580
without hesitation in answer to

2334
01:33:28,010 --> 01:33:25,739
questions it did not come across at all

2335
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:28,020
as someone who had con who has concocted

2336
01:33:32,450 --> 01:33:30,239
a tall tale and might contradict himself

2337
01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:32,460
or get caught in some sort of trap if

2338
01:33:36,290 --> 01:33:34,199
you weren't careful he showed no

2339
01:33:39,470 --> 01:33:36,300
mannerisms that would betray any obvious

2340
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:39,480
psychosis or hang up other than a

2341
01:33:42,770 --> 01:33:41,040
healthy dose of disdain for authorities

2342
01:33:45,050 --> 01:33:42,780
for which he apparently had good reason

2343
01:33:46,910 --> 01:33:45,060
he did not have any obvious acts to

2344
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:46,920
grind he explained his personal

2345
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:49,860
situation and repeated to me uh what he

2346
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:51,840
told you in case he suddenly denied the

2347
01:33:56,450 --> 01:33:54,000
story he professes not to be interested

2348
01:33:59,209 --> 01:33:56,460
in UFOs and he put the experience behind

2349
01:34:01,250 --> 01:33:59,219
him without any lingering trauma overall

2350
01:34:03,649 --> 01:34:01,260
I detected nothing in his matter or

2351
01:34:06,110 --> 01:34:03,659
story to cause skepticism to the

2352
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:06,120
contract because to the contrary he'd

2353
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:08,639
seemed very credible to me he also spoke

2354
01:34:12,470 --> 01:34:10,320
easily about his family and relatives

2355
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:12,480
toward the end of our interview and was

2356
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:14,760
not at all full of the story and wanting

2357
01:34:19,310 --> 01:34:16,880
only to talk about it no Obsession

2358
01:34:21,890 --> 01:34:19,320
pending further investigation I would

2359
01:34:23,270 --> 01:34:21,900
tend to give him very high marks I kept

2360
01:34:25,910 --> 01:34:23,280
a mental picture of other possible

2361
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:25,920
explanations but they did not fit his

2362
01:34:31,490 --> 01:34:29,040
image style or demeanor

2363
01:34:32,930 --> 01:34:31,500
uh in bringing my report to a close I

2364
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:32,940
recognize the need for more information

2365
01:34:37,129 --> 01:34:35,040
about the shooting episode at Fort Dix

2366
01:34:39,470 --> 01:34:37,139
and the nature of the body retrieved

2367
01:34:41,090 --> 01:34:39,480
from McGuire but for the moment the

2368
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:41,100
testimony of the one and only available

2369
01:34:44,209 --> 01:34:43,199
witness must carry the so-called burden

2370
01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:44,219
of proof

2371
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:46,260
Hall's informative meeting in my many

2372
01:34:50,270 --> 01:34:48,239
exchanges by letter and phone certainly

2373
01:34:53,450 --> 01:34:50,280
establish a strong base for morse's

2374
01:34:55,310 --> 01:34:53,460
integrity in closing I must note that in

2375
01:34:58,010 --> 01:34:55,320
character was his downplaying of events

2376
01:35:01,070 --> 01:34:58,020
Morse never once stated to me that the

2377
01:35:03,770 --> 01:35:01,080
entity he saw despite its alien Anatomy

2378
01:35:05,450 --> 01:35:03,780
was of extraterrestrial origin or that

2379
01:35:09,110 --> 01:35:05,460
it might have come from one of the UFOs

2380
01:35:11,930 --> 01:35:09,120
he saw overhead on that fateful night on

2381
01:35:14,270 --> 01:35:11,940
of January 18 1978.

2382
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:14,280
at this point with so much at stake on

2383
01:35:19,010 --> 01:35:16,560
the testimony of one witness we must go

2384
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:19,020
beyond the anecdote and the support data

2385
01:35:23,390 --> 01:35:20,880
and take a closer look at the witness

2386
01:35:26,750 --> 01:35:23,400
himself what kind of person is Jeffrey

2387
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:26,760
Morse born September 10 1958 he was 20

2388
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,320
years old at the time of the incident

2389
01:35:32,090 --> 01:35:30,000
that's so crazy to think about how young

2390
01:35:33,950 --> 01:35:32,100
these kids are sometimes after high

2391
01:35:36,290 --> 01:35:33,960
school he attended various universities

2392
01:35:39,229 --> 01:35:36,300
taking prep courses finally majoring in

2393
01:35:41,209 --> 01:35:39,239
computer science a Catholic by faith he

2394
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:41,219
attends church regularly and in keeping

2395
01:35:44,689 --> 01:35:42,719
with his interest in law enforcement

2396
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:44,699
he's a member of the Fraternal Order of

2397
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:47,040
Police among his hobbies and for

2398
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:48,960
recreation he is into videotaping

2399
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:52,080
foreign languages plays softball touch

2400
01:35:56,810 --> 01:35:54,000
football and is a coach in youth

2401
01:35:59,390 --> 01:35:56,820
sporting activities Morse is not a UFO

2402
01:36:01,010 --> 01:35:59,400
buff he's not aware of most UFO events

2403
01:36:03,890 --> 01:36:01,020
or nationally known researchers and

2404
01:36:05,870 --> 01:36:03,900
authors to this end I submitted 15 names

2405
01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:05,880
to him for his comment but he could not

2406
01:36:09,709 --> 01:36:08,340
identify any one of them when I

2407
01:36:12,649 --> 01:36:09,719
mentioned this detail to one of my

2408
01:36:14,330 --> 01:36:12,659
perceptive contemporaries he remarked

2409
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:14,340
you should expect this kind of pretended

2410
01:36:18,830 --> 01:36:16,320
ignorance from a plant setting you up

2411
01:36:21,470 --> 01:36:18,840
with false information a point indeed

2412
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,480
but it's a weak point I know of no good

2413
01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:23,280
reason for an undercover agent to

2414
01:36:27,470 --> 01:36:25,260
continue to play games long after his

2415
01:36:28,490 --> 01:36:27,480
story it was published in my 1982 status

2416
01:36:30,590 --> 01:36:28,500
report

2417
01:36:32,570 --> 01:36:30,600
certainly if it were contrived to expose

2418
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,580
my gullibility and thus discredit my

2419
01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:35,040
work why have the conspirators not

2420
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:36,840
unleash their Stooges to flaunt their

2421
01:36:41,450 --> 01:36:40,080
Spoils of Triumph by now moreover Morse

2422
01:36:43,610 --> 01:36:41,460
knows that I have no intention to

2423
01:36:46,910 --> 01:36:43,620
present his case in this paper as proof

2424
01:36:49,550 --> 01:36:46,920
status report 4 is purely an analysis of

2425
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:49,560
events encompassing one case worthy of

2426
01:36:54,169 --> 01:36:52,080
serious review I believe the data I

2427
01:36:56,030 --> 01:36:54,179
present here offers substantially more

2428
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,040
than other encounters or retrievals

2429
01:37:01,129 --> 01:36:58,639
published in my series of status reports

2430
01:37:04,490 --> 01:37:01,139
significantly inadequate by comparison

2431
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:04,500
is the Nellis Air Force Base Affair of

2432
01:37:11,390 --> 01:37:08,159
1968 incest report 2 and the Lumberton

2433
01:37:13,010 --> 01:37:11,400
or Wilmington Ohio Skirmish in case B13

2434
01:37:15,290 --> 01:37:13,020
of the same paper

2435
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,300
the only commonality it seems that they

2436
01:37:20,570 --> 01:37:17,760
all carry a burden of Truth

2437
01:37:21,410 --> 01:37:20,580
burden of proof as do all cases in UFO

2438
01:37:24,350 --> 01:37:21,420
lore

2439
01:37:25,970 --> 01:37:24,360
since 1982 new sources have emerged and

2440
01:37:28,430 --> 01:37:25,980
vanished on the horizon of my research

2441
01:37:30,590 --> 01:37:28,440
none worthy of a monograph I think

2442
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:30,600
Jeffrey morse's case is special and if

2443
01:37:34,129 --> 01:37:32,159
we'd like to ramble in our thoughts

2444
01:37:35,930 --> 01:37:34,139
seeking answers or feel inclined to

2445
01:37:38,209 --> 01:37:35,940
speculate into the shadowy Realms of

2446
01:37:40,850 --> 01:37:38,219
intrigue perhaps there is another side

2447
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:40,860
to secrecy the side that occasionally

2448
01:37:47,629 --> 01:37:43,440
leaks the truth if you will for the

2449
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:47,639
simple reason that it is long overdue

2450
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:52,080
all right man we did it he's a good he's

2451
01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:53,760
a good writer I like his thoughts when

2452
01:37:59,149 --> 01:37:56,520
he when he decides to share him yeah me

2453
01:38:02,149 --> 01:37:59,159
too so what a wild case from Leonard

2454
01:38:05,870 --> 01:38:02,159
Stringfield eh hey

2455
01:38:08,030 --> 01:38:05,880
um and just so he can yeah

2456
01:38:13,610 --> 01:38:08,040
take a look at this so this is like the

2457
01:38:16,370 --> 01:38:13,620
the form or the document that he got so

2458
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:16,380
you know I I can't sit here and

2459
01:38:20,450 --> 01:38:18,960
you know say this looks exactly right

2460
01:38:24,169 --> 01:38:20,460
because I'm not sure what the documents

2461
01:38:26,169 --> 01:38:24,179
look like in the 80s or late 70s but

2462
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:26,179
um it's interesting because we have here

2463
01:38:31,550 --> 01:38:29,760
UFO sighting incident on the above date

2464
01:38:33,530 --> 01:38:31,560
and time is reported this office that

2465
01:38:36,590 --> 01:38:33,540
there were reports of UFO sightings over

2466
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:36,600
the base and an incident in progress on

2467
01:38:42,350 --> 01:38:39,600
the vortex installation also mafb

2468
01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:42,360
control tower and he Whited out the

2469
01:38:45,770 --> 01:38:44,159
names you can see upon further

2470
01:38:47,629 --> 01:38:45,780
investigation it was reported that an

2471
01:38:49,370 --> 01:38:47,639
unidentified being

2472
01:38:51,310 --> 01:38:49,380
had been shut

2473
01:38:57,110 --> 01:38:51,320
by Dick's MPS

2474
01:38:59,450 --> 01:38:57,120
in same entered mafb at above location

2475
01:39:02,270 --> 01:38:59,460
um evidence one body of Unknown Origin

2476
01:39:05,570 --> 01:39:02,280
released to the care of OSI District

2477
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:05,580
commander and special recovery team from

2478
01:39:15,110 --> 01:39:12,950
further investigation revealed that

2479
01:39:17,570 --> 01:39:15,120
there was some kind of body found on our

2480
01:39:20,930 --> 01:39:17,580
installation area was cordoned off and

2481
01:39:23,390 --> 01:39:20,940
ECP set up USAF Clinic Personnel advised

2482
01:39:25,610 --> 01:39:23,400
and dispatched accordingly recovery team

2483
01:39:28,450 --> 01:39:25,620
notified in responding all necessary

2484
01:39:31,370 --> 01:39:28,460
Personnel have been notified see further

2485
01:39:34,250 --> 01:39:31,380
1569s for more information investigation

2486
01:39:39,649 --> 01:39:34,260
pending and again Stringfield couldn't

2487
01:39:44,030 --> 01:39:42,410
it's funny sometimes like you know it's

2488
01:39:46,729 --> 01:39:44,040
very rare that like a professional

2489
01:39:48,830 --> 01:39:46,739
artist actually you know like yeah

2490
01:39:50,930 --> 01:39:48,840
there's some cases when it happens but

2491
01:39:52,370 --> 01:39:50,940
uh more often you get a you need you

2492
01:39:54,649 --> 01:39:52,380
know you get an illustration that looks

2493
01:39:58,430 --> 01:39:54,659
like that however people love to use

2494
01:40:01,930 --> 01:39:58,440
those rulers and protractors so

2495
01:40:06,649 --> 01:40:01,940
yeah so that's that's what we got

2496
01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:06,659
yeah yeah uh extremely interesting case

2497
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:08,820
it makes absolutely no sense for this

2498
01:40:14,750 --> 01:40:12,719
person uh to come and talk to you know

2499
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:14,760
Stringfield and tell them all this stuff

2500
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:18,000
I mean if it was the idea of you know

2501
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:19,679
embarrassing him so he goes out and

2502
01:40:24,050 --> 01:40:21,900
talks about it and and seems like a fool

2503
01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:24,060
well well that didn't really happen and

2504
01:40:28,430 --> 01:40:25,980
it didn't become like a really

2505
01:40:30,649 --> 01:40:28,440
well-known case you know like I've never

2506
01:40:35,390 --> 01:40:30,659
heard of it before I doubt most people

2507
01:40:37,850 --> 01:40:35,400
have but so you know and if if that was

2508
01:40:40,129 --> 01:40:37,860
the goal and you know it wasn't coming

2509
01:40:42,110 --> 01:40:40,139
to fruition and it wasn't being well

2510
01:40:43,970 --> 01:40:42,120
known or whatever like he would have

2511
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,980
just did it to somebody else or somebody

2512
01:40:47,770 --> 01:40:45,840
else would have picked up the story and

2513
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:47,780
you know made it a big deal or whatever

2514
01:40:52,250 --> 01:40:50,400
so the the fact that it kind of stayed

2515
01:40:54,770 --> 01:40:52,260
where it was at

2516
01:40:57,410 --> 01:40:54,780
um to me is uh puts it more in the

2517
01:40:59,930 --> 01:40:57,420
authenticity file for me and it's also

2518
01:41:01,610 --> 01:40:59,940
interesting to note that um in

2519
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:01,620
Stringfield notices that the guy never

2520
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:04,080
mentioned that he you know if he thought

2521
01:41:07,970 --> 01:41:06,000
it was an extraterrestrial body or

2522
01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:07,980
anything you know that's right because

2523
01:41:11,629 --> 01:41:10,020
that's also kind of a hint that like

2524
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:11,639
what are you up to how do you know it

2525
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,400
was extraterrestrial you know I just it

2526
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,800
was a body you know yeah I saw you

2527
01:41:21,229 --> 01:41:18,960
suppose earlier there's there's somebody

2528
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:21,239
how they treated it was super bizarre

2529
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:23,760
you know pretty pretty interesting case

2530
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:26,400
for sure yeah fascinating case I mean he

2531
01:41:30,290 --> 01:41:28,080
just described what the body looked like

2532
01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:30,300
that it was wet that it that the skin

2533
01:41:33,470 --> 01:41:31,920
looked snake-like and that it was

2534
01:41:34,850 --> 01:41:33,480
grayish Brown that was like brownish

2535
01:41:37,490 --> 01:41:34,860
gray

2536
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:37,500
um you know the the features the ends

2537
01:41:42,649 --> 01:41:39,480
you know it sounds a lot like a lot of

2538
01:41:44,810 --> 01:41:42,659
the the bike battle you know humanoid uh

2539
01:41:46,430 --> 01:41:44,820
non-human intelligence that that we hear

2540
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:46,440
from other cases

2541
01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:48,000
um but this guy wasn't a UFO guy

2542
01:41:54,050 --> 01:41:50,940
supposedly and of course this is back

2543
01:41:56,090 --> 01:41:54,060
um back then and um and before you know

2544
01:41:57,770 --> 01:41:56,100
that I mean I guess you know there's

2545
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:57,780
close encounters with the Third Kind and

2546
01:42:01,250 --> 01:41:59,280
that really kind of like started to take

2547
01:42:03,410 --> 01:42:01,260
that physiology

2548
01:42:05,930 --> 01:42:03,420
um to the public Consciousness

2549
01:42:08,030 --> 01:42:05,940
um but you know like this guy says you

2550
01:42:10,189 --> 01:42:08,040
know he wasn't he wasn't a UFO guy right

2551
01:42:13,370 --> 01:42:10,199
but he also didn't jump to conclusions

2552
01:42:15,709 --> 01:42:13,380
right and so I you know and he also

2553
01:42:18,109 --> 01:42:15,719
would go off the off the grid you know

2554
01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:18,119
for like months you know he like he

2555
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:19,619
wouldn't reply to Stringfield for 17

2556
01:42:25,129 --> 01:42:22,260
months that also to me kind of lends

2557
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:25,139
Credence to the case because if he was

2558
01:42:28,010 --> 01:42:26,639
just feeding disinformation to

2559
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,020
Stringfield do you think that he would

2560
01:42:32,930 --> 01:42:30,719
have just got the job job done and moved

2561
01:42:35,629 --> 01:42:32,940
on to whatever is next thing you know

2562
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:35,639
his next bewildering assignment would be

2563
01:42:40,669 --> 01:42:37,800
rather than to like stretch it out for

2564
01:42:44,090 --> 01:42:40,679
three years right but like that's kind

2565
01:42:46,609 --> 01:42:44,100
of the issue with the UFO research in in

2566
01:42:48,830 --> 01:42:46,619
the community is you have people like a

2567
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:48,840
Richard Dodie and I'm sure there's

2568
01:42:53,330 --> 01:42:51,119
others who come in and spew so much

2569
01:42:54,590 --> 01:42:53,340
distance information so that if a real

2570
01:42:57,709 --> 01:42:54,600
story

2571
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,719
does come through like maybe this Morse

2572
01:43:00,169 --> 01:42:59,280
guy in his story that we just went

2573
01:43:03,649 --> 01:43:00,179
through

2574
01:43:05,390 --> 01:43:03,659
now you're you're you're up against all

2575
01:43:07,790 --> 01:43:05,400
the other mud that was thrown in the

2576
01:43:09,950 --> 01:43:07,800
water and now you're thinking like can I

2577
01:43:13,729 --> 01:43:09,960
believe anything can I trust anything

2578
01:43:16,010 --> 01:43:13,739
now because this was fake in bullcrap

2579
01:43:18,890 --> 01:43:16,020
and it got outed and all this kind of

2580
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:18,900
stuff now how do I know what is what now

2581
01:43:23,090 --> 01:43:20,880
you just just forget it you know that

2582
01:43:26,330 --> 01:43:23,100
and that's you know the goal of of what

2583
01:43:28,669 --> 01:43:26,340
these people do you know so you know I'm

2584
01:43:30,770 --> 01:43:28,679
glad that you know that's kind of

2585
01:43:33,709 --> 01:43:30,780
survived somewhat you know we could go

2586
01:43:35,330 --> 01:43:33,719
through it but yeah it's it's just uh

2587
01:43:42,350 --> 01:43:35,340
it's

2588
01:43:43,550 --> 01:43:42,360
absolutely is interesting like so anyone

2589
01:43:45,410 --> 01:43:43,560
like

2590
01:43:47,629 --> 01:43:45,420
going down the crash retrieval thing or

2591
01:43:49,070 --> 01:43:47,639
the body thing like uh Stringfield like

2592
01:43:50,510 --> 01:43:49,080
right now those books and all that kind

2593
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:50,520
of stuff

2594
01:43:53,209 --> 01:43:51,420
um

2595
01:43:55,550 --> 01:43:53,219
I commend them because it's not easy

2596
01:43:57,770 --> 01:43:55,560
even if like you genuinely want to go

2597
01:44:00,649 --> 01:43:57,780
after that kind of thing and research it

2598
01:44:02,750 --> 01:44:00,659
like if if you want to be honest and be

2599
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:02,760
a real researcher and not be honest with

2600
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:05,040
your details and not fabricate anything

2601
01:44:11,930 --> 01:44:08,760
so it sells more or you know or whatever

2602
01:44:15,890 --> 01:44:11,940
like that is incredibly difficult

2603
01:44:17,450 --> 01:44:15,900
research work to do oh absolutely and

2604
01:44:19,609 --> 01:44:17,460
and back then all they had was like

2605
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:19,619
their phones and like libraries there's

2606
01:44:23,090 --> 01:44:21,119
no you know the world wasn't connected

2607
01:44:24,770 --> 01:44:23,100
like it is now you can't just like get

2608
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:24,780
on your computer and look somebody up

2609
01:44:30,050 --> 01:44:26,880
you have to figure it out you know what

2610
01:44:31,609 --> 01:44:30,060
I mean and it could take as he as he

2611
01:44:34,609 --> 01:44:31,619
describes in this case it could take

2612
01:44:36,890 --> 01:44:34,619
years to get like some basic facts

2613
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:36,900
established about a case of this yeah

2614
01:44:41,629 --> 01:44:39,119
it's it's awesome so hats off to Leonard

2615
01:44:44,270 --> 01:44:41,639
Stringfield for sure yeah that was good

2616
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,280
I hope everybody enjoyed it I know uh we

2617
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:46,560
were reading from a document but you

2618
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:48,239
seem to stick around so you must like

2619
01:44:56,510 --> 01:44:54,890
um any final thoughts I guess before we

2620
01:44:59,330 --> 01:44:56,520
take off we've been

2621
01:45:01,970 --> 01:44:59,340
yeah a little rock in here yeah well I'm

2622
01:45:04,010 --> 01:45:01,980
I'm just happy to to cover such a good

2623
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,020
case with you today and I look forward

2624
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:07,199
to uh doing plenty more of that

2625
01:45:11,450 --> 01:45:09,119
um it's absolutely

2626
01:45:14,270 --> 01:45:11,460
yeah maybe we'll get into the valet

2627
01:45:15,530 --> 01:45:14,280
stuff next time yeah there's a great um

2628
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:15,540
yeah there's some great Eric Davis

2629
01:45:18,590 --> 01:45:17,280
fillet stuff that we're considering for

2630
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:18,600
today maybe we could cover that next

2631
01:45:22,729 --> 01:45:21,119
week that'd be awesome so with that

2632
01:45:25,490 --> 01:45:22,739
thank you so much to everybody in the

2633
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:25,500
chat thanks to everybody so there they

2634
01:45:30,410 --> 01:45:28,320
go yeah there you go thanks to everybody

2635
01:45:34,030 --> 01:45:30,420
um I bet Eric Davis was responsible for

2636
01:45:37,129 --> 01:45:34,040
those cute circles but who knows

2637
01:45:40,729 --> 01:45:37,139
so um yeah thanks to everybody listening

2638
01:45:44,270 --> 01:45:40,739
uh from the land of the future uh uh and

2639
01:45:46,490 --> 01:45:44,280
and one of the Past end of the past I

2640
01:45:49,070 --> 01:45:46,500
appreciate it I'm the president that's

2641
01:45:51,250 --> 01:45:49,080
right and all three at the same time

2642
01:45:53,209 --> 01:45:51,260
that's right because

2643
01:45:56,510 --> 01:45:53,219
you know According to some people time

2644
01:45:58,250 --> 01:45:56,520
doesn't exist so thanks to all of you

2645
01:46:01,250 --> 01:45:58,260
um and it's absolutely great to see you

2646
01:46:03,649 --> 01:46:01,260
man yeah you too man it's great to be

2647
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:03,659
back with you so we'll try it again next

2648
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:05,520
week everybody in the chat thanks again

2649
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:09,920
love you be kind I love you buddy

2650
01:46:47,450 --> 01:46:12,770
okay peace peace